Rupert Spira on George Floyd

[Jacobsrw]

10 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

Being  is the quality or state of having existence.  If you are dead you might be remembered by living beings on earth but you do not have an active being in their world.  
Love is not being.   Being is being. It means existing.   Just existing obviously isn't love.
Love is a particular feeling that beings who are being (living) do.

Love can be expressed as action. 

Love in it's highest form means caring about other beings.   

You‘re misconstruing absolute love for relative human love.

Love has nothing to do with what you do it has everything to do with what you BE. What you are explaining is merely human constructs of emotion. That is not love that is primitive human behaviour. Useful as it may be, that is not an absolute.

Also notice, “care” and “feeling” are relative. Dependent on what one deems conducive to their survival. Thus, both equate to relativity, meaning, equating to limitation. To be relative means to be not absolute. Therefore, the love you speak of is a relative human construct not independent of itself.

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by Jacobsrw

[JosephKnecht]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The actual answer is shocking:

ANYTHING you do will be the highest form of love.

It makes absolutely no difference what you do.

Ta-da! That's real Love.

Love is a tautology. Anything that exists is by definition Love. Love cannot be broken.

I know that ANYTHING I do is the highest form of love I can give. But what would Jesus do?  

You have answered my hypothetical question. Answering is a form of action rather than inaction.

That answered my question. Thanks

[Nak Khid]

On 6/12/2020 at 8:27 AM, JosephKnecht said:

I have a hypothetical question:

Suppose you were present at the scene when the cop stood on the neck of George Floyd for 8 minutes. Given these circumstances, what is the highest form of love you can give?

Option 1: You speak up and try to save the life of George?

Option 2: You don't speak up because you understand that everything that is happening is part of God's plan?

Is inaction or action the highest form of love?

Option 1.  is the highest form of love, if not having the power to stop it , then speaking out  "stop this you are killing him" 

Option 2.  is cowardice.  Love is a feeling of caring. 
 Saying "love means accepting everything, therefore I love this killing going on"  is not a feeling of caring.  It is an intellectual  philosophical position an excuse for apathy and cowardice with a paper sign taped to it that says "love".   

The highest form of love is helping your fellow human being when in distress

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Whichever option feels the best to you after you've woken up to the fact that the whole situation is a part of You. George Floyd who is getting killed is a part of you, the police officer with his knee on Floyd's neck is a part of you, the other police officers around are a part of you, the recorder is a part of you, all the protesters are a part of you, all the rioters are a part of you. Even the collectives of the White race and the Black race are a part of you.

Once you've truly woken up to all of this, then you will have the perspective of integrated, Infinite consciousness. From this perspective, whichever option feels the best to you will be the highest form of love.

 No that is not love.  
The whole situation only part of  you to the extent that you are observing it.    
"But didn't I create reality?" someone asks.   If you are a grandiose narcissist you did. 
But what if being a grandiose narcissist is not a bad thing it's just how things are? 
So you created everything.  Does that mean God stands around and does nothing when his creations go astray? 
Does a father let his child walk into the middle of the street with incoming traffic or beat up somebody else?   You make choices.  Non action is another choice. 
You make a choice to walk by someone getting killed like like you couldn't care less and then make another choice to meet your girlfriend around the corner  or go sit in the park and meditate. 
or you might watch someone get ting killed and do nothing but watch out of curiosity. 
or you might have a feeling of love for your fellow human being and say loudly to the people doing the killing  "stop you are killing him!" 
or video tape it as evidence and to dissuade them form continuing.   Whatever it is some sort action against it is necessary

Love is not cowardice it's bravery and compassion 

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Our response should be informed by the love for these 2 people (George Floyd and Derek Chauvin) If we feel the love for these 2 people equally in our hearts we are then in a position to respond appropriately and take whatever action necessary. I am not implying we shouldn’t take action, sometimes very firm action is required - this is one such case. 

Rupert Spira is saying firm action is required.   Does that means standing there doing nothing and telling yourself you love both of them.  No, that is BS

If you see someone being harmed, try to stop it or protest loudly if you can. 
You can do that too if Derek Chauvin was being dragged out and beaten but that was not the case 

Help and care for your fellow human.  That is love in it's highest form. 
It is a simple thing.
If you try to complicate it, try to intellectualize
Try to put a mask on apathy and pretend it's a higher form of love
then you kill love
and you stand there while your fellow human being is having a knee suffocate him to death. 
If you want to philosophize on some aloof detached position call it what it is, that is not love,
find another word.  People are really killing love by using it all the time but using it in such a way where it bastardizes it's meaning. 

I don't think Rupert Spira would have just walked past George Floyd getting killed if he was there.
You would have said something . That may not have stopped it but it shows caring. 
There were bystanders there protesting what was going on. 
 Imagine if everybody had just walked passed like everything was normal? 
 We would not even be talking about this travesty 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by Nak Khid

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, JosephKnecht said:

You have answered my hypothetical question. Answering is a form of action rather than inaction.

Only in your mind.

[Nahm]

4 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

Just existing obviously isn't love.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for nonexistence man. That can go on for lifetimes.

[remember]

12 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

Being  is the quality or state of having existence.  If you are dead you might be remembered by living beings on earth but you do not have an active being in their world.  
Love is not being.   Being is being. It means existing.   Just existing obviously isn't love.
Love is a particular feeling that beings who are being (living) do.

Love can be expressed as action. 

Love in it's highest form means caring about other beings.   

you fail to see, that in what you think/call love existence must be prior to it - so its impossible to say love is not existence. which is why you want to attribute quality to love which also does not work out - quality is only existent if you differentiate, but in existence there is no difference, as existence exists or it does not its a singularity, it also cannot be owned even though the ego mind would like that.

love=existence that’s why people constantly get high on it.