What is the appeal of Jordan Peterson? Why do people love him so much?

[Parththakkar12]

I can't watch 2 minutes of him cuz what he says makes absolutely no sense to me. It's like he uses a word-salad to cover up the fact that he's simply full of shit. Like for example 'The Neo-Marxists are bad.' Why? 'Because delinquescent koala-bears and effervescent panda bears said 'Oh baby kiwi, love thyself'.' What?!?!?! 'This isn't me. The studies show it all.' Fuck you.

I saw the comments section on a video of him crying, and the comments were all as if he touched their hearts so deeply, and they had thousands of likes!! Like I saw at least 5 comments with likes on the order of 5K, 10K, 7K! WTF IS GOING ON?!?!?! Somebody please explain this to me.

[Freakyboo]

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

This article takes apart Peterson's waffle and shows it up for what it really is - a con.

[Leo Gura]

Careful with the judging.

Most people are simple folk and they need someone near their level. Hard to blame them for that, or even JP for appealing to them. They're at where they're at. Would you rebuke a 2nd grader for being in 2nd grade? Or the teacher teaching 2nd grade? Someone's gotta do it.

[Parththakkar12]

A few points I observed:

• He comes across as confident. This makes it hard for people to call out his bluff.
• He comes across as authentic, even though he has no ability to critically think and reason, which is typical of Stage Blue. This is why people who don't really listen to what he's saying can get carried away.
• It can come across as motivational and 'backed by facts', if you have no ability to think critically, logically or conceptually. Someone who listens to the logic will pick it apart in minutes.
• Essentially, it's like a cult-following.

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Careful with the judging.

Most people are simple folk and they need someone near their level.

I don't want to judge, but I haven't found clear reasonable explanations about what the appeal really is about! It's an honest question. My mind is fishing for reasons right now if you catch my drift.

[Leo Gura]

@Parththakkar12 JP is not bluffing or bullshitting. He's authentic -- to his worldview. You may not like his logic, but his logic is sound within his own worldview.

He's just stuck in his own worldview. As most of us are to various degrees.

[Derek White]

He has helped people. Maybe he makes sense to some people and not you...

Maybe some people think you are unreasonable... 

Just some thoughts.

[Parththakkar12]

I'm not saying I don't like his logic. I'm unable to find the logic in what he says! Where is it? Let me find it first, then I'll decide whether I like it or not.

The fact that everyone seems to be understanding the words of what he says makes me feel insane tbh.

Edited April 28, 2020 by Parththakkar12

[Rilles]

The word salad is very appealing to people with an intellectual left-brainish identity. 

[tenta]

Because he hits the points that appeal to stage blue and also orange. He doesn't just use word salads he also makes some valid points, like how his criticism of UBI isn't bad, but then turns around and says things that are clearly closed minded against socialism or something he disagrees with, with logic that wouldn't fly unless his audience already agreed with him.

[Parththakkar12]

Saying 'UBI is bad' because 'Post-modern maximists don't understand the way foxes hunt for water' doesn't count as logic.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

I'm not saying I don't like his logic. I'm unable to find the logic in what he says! Where is it? Let me find it first, then I'll decide whether I like it or not.

The fact that everyone seems to be understanding the words of what he says makes me feel insane tbh.

Realize this: logic is a relative thing. Logic serves ego.

[Parththakkar12]

Exactly!! If his logic serves his ego, I have no problem with that. My question is, how is the ego of so many people getting served by his logic?! I don't need it to serve my ego, I'm trying to understand the appeal.

Do people get starry-eyed by the word-salad and look up to him as a 'learned scholar' cuz he knows so many big words? What is it?!

[Parththakkar12]

I'm starting to get it now. Maybe at Stage Blue you don't need logic to excite and motivate people. You sprinkle in a few key-words and key sentences in your otherwise diverse word-salad and Bam! You've gotten yourself into their minds and now you're a big motivational speaker.

Key words like 'Responsibility, Horrible/terrible, suffering, hope, optimism'

Edited April 28, 2020 by Parththakkar12

[Derek White]

 TBH you haven't provided any serious counter-argument to anything he said. It's hard to judge what you're criticizing him for...

You have just called him names and cherry-picked his quote...

BTW, I'm not JP fan.

(I think you're illogical for using (!) too much. It hinders communication. JK lol.)

[Parththakkar12]

I'm not criticizing him. I'm trying to make sense of what he's saying and I'm reporting the findings. If it comes across as criticism, well, it is what it is.

[Derek White]

Well, one of the main reason people like him is because he criticizes the absurdities of the Left. 

If you ever got harassed by a Feminist SJW you would know. 

Many of his followers start as anti-sjw folk I would assume.

[Parththakkar12]

Something that's typical of Stage Blue is - Word-salads without any logical/conceptual context. You can indoctrinate people with rich and complex language and then use it as a ground to relate on. You can see this with religion, superstitions, etc.

Listen, I have no problem with JP if this is the case. I was confused because that's not what people say about him, they see him as this 'great intellectual influencer'. If he will use a word-salad as faulty reasoning for upholding Stage Blue values he's indoctrinated with (12 rules for life and so on), that's completely fine! Lets be clear that this is what's happening though.

[Parththakkar12]

If we look at it from this recontextualized perspective, now we see that he can serve as a role model for men. One big problem in Western society especially, is that men have no role in society (or so they feel) because it's so independent and individualistic. What he says could serve as a guiding light for men to feel more useful, to create for themselves a role in society (aka life purpose). I haven't worked out the nuances of how would this work, but it is a possibility.

Edited April 28, 2020 by Parththakkar12

[tenta]

10 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

Something that's typical of Stage Blue is - Word-salads without any logical/conceptual context. You can indoctrinate people with rich and complex language and then use it as a ground to relate on. You can see this with religion, superstitions, etc.

Listen, I have no problem with JP if this is the case. I was confused because that's not what people say about him, they see him as this 'great intellectual influencer'. If he will use a word-salad as faulty reasoning for upholding Stage Blue values he's indoctrinated with (12 rules for life and so on), that's completely fine! Lets be clear that this is what's happening though.

That could be stage green too where a more loose way of reasoning is used, with more relating.

Again the reason is because he hits the points that appeal to stage blue and orange, this is more obvious in older Jordan Peterson videos. He is right that authoritarian communists are wrong and that people who are falling into the same patterns as them today are wrong, like someone hating on working class landlords because they sell land. And criticizes people expecting to leech off UBI in a first world country (which btw discourages people from working, would make prices go up and other welfare benefits go down).

[Parththakkar12]

28 minutes ago, Derek White said:

Well, one of the main reason people like him is because he criticizes the absurdities of the Left. 

If you ever got harassed by a Feminist SJW you would know. 

Many of his followers start as anti-sjw folk I would assume.

Yes, there is this sense of us vs them, that 'We should eliminate the 'Dragon of Chaos'! We should struggle for good to keep out evil.' He's all for good, against bad, whatever that means. Tons of 'should' statements sprinkled in. SJW rhetoric coming across as moral insults.

It is unbelievable to me that this serves as motivation to people. More power to them, I guess...!

I have been traumatized by feminist SJWs. Women do use feminism as an excuse to avoid taking responsibility for their relationship life. The thing is, MRAs do the same, even more so. It's not a gender thing, it's an individual thing. I choose not to do that.