The purpose of morality is for survival

[mandyjw]

There is no problem of morality. We all want to survive, so morality helps us to survive as a group. However we often are unconscious of why we have moral standards for ourselves and others. All arguing with each other on this forum, all the correction and criticism aimed at Leo takes place because of survival reasons, because we notice that our morals are not aligned. 

If we are a passionate vegetarian and Leo becomes a vegetarian we don't have to worry about the planet being destroyed, or about animals being abused and we will have validation of our own choice. At least until we find some other meat eater to focus our attention on. There's a difference between being a vegetarian and feeling great about our choices and inspiring others to feel great about theirs. If Leo changes his teaching style to suit what we think is most true we no longer have to feel shaky about whether we actually know the truth.

We can even trick ourselves into turning love itself into a moral ideal, in which case it immediately stops being love

All need for validation is survival, but we convince ourselves there are very good reasons behind it and often fail to see how it arises within. It's reaching for feeling better because we feel threatened, but we can't control others, yet we can choose how we feel. That doesn't mean that sometimes there honestly aren't threats within a community or to yourself. But if there's a real threat, you do what you need to do without resistance, disagreement or second guessing. When the shit really hits the fan, everyone automatically becomes aligned in their goal to turn off the fan and clean everything up. A lot of our threats are self-created. Even the ones that aren't grow bigger the more we push against them. There's no right or wrong actions, but we know where our thoughts come from based on how they feel. 

 

 

 

[Lento]

Couldn't agree more ?

[SoothedByRain]

Rightous Dualistic Partitioning. All of our threats are self-created from the relative self-biased perspective of the self, the little-one. Beyond the ego, the physiological and neurological wiring of the individual biological sub-system, beyond the sensorily created boundary of the body, beyond "you" dear relative reader . . . is One.

Dualistic Partitioning. Should the mammalian ape consume the peice of shit on the floor or the mushroom two metres to the left for nutrition? Egoic survival is an artistic masterpiece. 

All of our threats are self-created.

Within All of The Self there are no threats.

One

Morality is survival. Morality creates suffering. Suffering is survival. Survival creates morality. Myriad wise-apes dancing together with snarls and smiles of self-biased love and bloody spears.

Biological life has no free will. 

“Forgive them for they know not what they do.” - Bro Jesus 

Forgive them for they are unconscious mechanical animals with no free will, thus they know not what they do. Love. One. - Me, some bald prick who wants MORE TEA!!!!

 

[remember]

life is survival. morality is the first sign of spirituality.

even a monkey society follows moral rules - although their spirituality is very very purple, and even red, and they don`t even need speech for that.

very interesting how moral people get very amoral the moment it`s about their piece of meat.

Edited November 22, 2019 by remember

[Scholar]

The greatest Act of Love is to veil Love so as to fully accept non-acceptance. You have already achieved this, there is no greater Love than suffering and duality.

Survival and morality are all Ultimate Acts of Love. Love knows no hierarchy.

When Leo says there are greater or lesser kinds of Love, it is not God who is speaking, it is Leo the chimp.

Edited November 22, 2019 by Scholar

[remember]

4 minutes ago, Scholar said:

The greatest Act of Love is to veil Love so as to fully accept non-acceptance. You have already achieved this, there is no greater Love than suffering and duality.

Survival and morality are all Ultimate Acts of Love. Love knows no hierarchy.

When Leo says there are greater or lesser kinds of Love, it is not God who is speaking, it is Leo the chimp.

hahaha now you found the ultimate tool to self-justification.

[Scholar]

8 minutes ago, remember said:

hahaha now you found the ultimate tool to self-justification.

Self-justification is also Ultimate Love. It doesn't really matter, Reality will do it's thing anyways.

If you do not think all of Isness is Utlimate Love, then whatever you describe cannot be Ultimate Love. Ultimate Love is not merely a good self-justification for the causing of all Suffering, it is literally equivalent to it. There requires to be no justification.

[Consilience]

Great post and weird synchronicity. I was listening to Leo’s Survival part 1 video this morning and contemplating survival in the woods. Love the insights. 

[remember]

15 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Self-justification is also Ultimate Love. It doesn't really matter, Reality will do it's thing anyways.

If you do not think all of Isness is Utlimate Love, then whatever you describe cannot be Ultimate Love. Ultimate Love is not merely a good self-justification for the causing of all Suffering, it is literally equivalent to it. There requires to be no justification.

lol - the perfect self justification. i`m watching that since a while wondering when people would really start to wonder.

[mandyjw]

@SoothedByRain

@Consilience I love the synchronicity, it always seems to get really crazy when I'm excited about life. You're never alone! It's delightfully creepy and also comforting.