How to forgive? How to heal?

[ivankiss]

How to forgive a lifetime of neglect? Abandonment? 

How to forgive betrayal? 

How to forgive distrust? 

Risking life for someone's love is insane, right? How do I forgive myself? How do I overcome loss?

How do I forgive the one who did not recognize the depth of my heart? My will, my effort, my courage, my selflessness?  

How do I forgive myself for needing them to recognize me?

How do I forgive myself for not recognizing myself? My worth? My pride? My boundaries? 

How do I heal?

[DrewNows]

Damn. Your words 

how can I even respond to this? ?

edit: (I think you know the answer to this entire poem of anguish)

Feel into it all continuously until it relinquishes itself ?

Edited June 1, 2019 by DrewNows

[ivankiss]

@DrewNows Gently, in love 

Cannot find a reason to forgive. But I need to heal. 

[DrewNows]

@ivankiss I heard once that forgiveness is a byproduct, and cannot be forced (shouldn’t even try) 

you will have to go deep within, understand why you feel the way you do and then love this entirely. Suffer, weep, love, and accept. Allow yourself to become whole again.

It may take several occasions but doing things like shamanic breath work can speed up the healing process  

[DrewNows]

I left anger out but yes you can also let the anger flow through you first, and give yourself space focusing on the breath as much as you need 

I feel your pain friend ?????

Edited June 1, 2019 by DrewNows

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, DrewNows said:

?????

This.

[ivankiss]

@DrewNows

full spectrum you say...?

Up and down the ladder I go 

Feels good when I let it out. But then I don't feel enlightened 

Not balanced and unable to embody certainty. Cannot accomplish shit.

Hilarity seems to be curative. 

Pain is still real. And deep.

Deeper than the breath; it seems.

Appreciate it bro 

Edited June 1, 2019 by ivankiss

[DrewNows]

25 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

full spectrum you say...?

Sometimes. 

All the body/mind to ride the lows just as you would ride the highs. 

27 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Hilarity seems to be curative. 

Seems this may be the end result ?

29 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Pain is still real. And deep.

Yeah but...what about the space?

it is the space that makes all this possible ?❤️

[ivankiss]

How do I forgive myself for not laughing out loud when I smiled inside? 

How do I forgive myself for suppressing my joy because of someone else's pain? 

I know the answers, deep inside...Questions still arise. 

@DrewNows lots of space for pain to come to be. I'd try to escape; but not certain enough

 

[Nahm]

Without judgement, what is forgiveness?

The forgiver is already the forgiven. Thought is sneaky, but Love never fails. 

The baseline shifts in consciousness are often in two parts, the expansion, and then the flotsam & jetsam. 

[DrewNows]

Let goooo 

let it outtt

pain can be your friend if only you show it the love you show happiness, yes the sensations are all disguises of love ?

[ivankiss]

@Nahm

"Without judgement what would we do?

We would be forced to look

At ourselves emerged in lost time" 

 

Got it. Thanks ❤️

 

@DrewNows Pain is my friend since I was a kid haha. My other good friend - Music - is out of town for a while. So I gotta spill my sorrow onto this platform  Must express somehow. 

Healing already.

❤️

[Zigzag Idiot]

" As soon as the mind’s word mechanism is destroyed, love, the natural condition of the mind, appears". - Oscar Ichazo

 

[ivankiss]

@Zigzag Idiot

A loving mind and a wise heart.

Sounds awesome! 

Thanks.

[Bill W]

@DrewNows

6 hours ago, DrewNows said:

I heard once that forgiveness is a byproduct, and cannot be forced (shouldn’t even try) 

Makes sense. Got me thinking.... a by product of what? Humility? Love? our general spiritual growth? 

It does make sense that's its a by product of something, because forgiveness is something that seems so simple, yet rebellion dogs our every step. It is right in front of us, but we cannot get there. I'm working on forgiveness all the time, and mostly failing. 

6 hours ago, DrewNows said:

you will have to go deep within, understand why you feel the way you do and then love this entirely. Suffer, weep, love, and accept. Allow yourself to become whole again.

It may take several occasions but doing things like shamanic breath work can speed up the healing process  

The by product of this perhaps? As you were saying. 

[DrewNows]

@Bill W Yup, forgiveness being acceptance and the byproduct of self love (allowing every emotion, often starting with hate, and not "needing" to feel better) 

watch the last 15 minutes of this video. It will bring up the term forgiveness (starting at 55th min), how and why it is often misunderstood. If you like the last 15 min i'd recommend listening to the whole thing 

Edited June 1, 2019 by DrewNows

[ivankiss]

"Enforce the words no more, be free

Alone you might just find serenity"

To forgive is to suffer

[DrewNows]

@ivankiss In the video i shared they discuss healing the inner child, understanding pain and anger, and how we unknowingly abandon aspects of ourselves, abandonment being subtle resistance/prolonged suffering due to lack of integration 

Edited June 1, 2019 by DrewNows

[ivankiss]

@DrewNows Thanks. Not a big Teal fan though. I am into Matt Kahn, alot. He talks about the inner child often. In fact; all of his teachings are focused on healing. 

Love him dearly. Helped me alot in past. And even nowdays resonance is strong. 

However; I really feel like this one is on me, solely. Between me and myself. Gotta find my own way.

Edited June 1, 2019 by ivankiss

[zeroISinfinity]

@ivankiss Do you Feel unworthy, undeserving of any of this? 

Do you Feel lost, confused? 

Welcome to the club ?

Share the unicorn ?

Edited June 1, 2019 by zeroISinfinity