Is existence conscious of itself?

[Shin]

1 hour ago, arlin said:

let me create a simple scheme, i will resolve everything, promise.

You already do,

Stop assuming you don't

?

[arlin]

It was not simple but this is what came out:

When the individual dies, there is nothing left, no one wakes up. Being a separate individual is just an illusion.

He can't find what he is looking for, what he really wants is the end of being a separate individual, he himself is the problem. But when he dies and "merges with the whole, with infinity" he can't be conscious, since the infinite contain also the "not conscious".

So when the illusion/dream ends, no one wakes up.

 

[Inliytened1]

@arlin i think what your missing is Infinity/Reality/Universe is consciousness.  It is conscious.  Its a Mind. The content within infinity or Reality..the formed..that may or not be self conscious.  The formless is just pure potential.  Pure consciousness..whose substance is absolutely nothing.   The substance of both formed and formless is nothing.

But God is both the formless and the formed.  To God its all One.  It doesn't matter whether something (you) is carved out or not.  It's all One thing.

 

Edited May 17, 2019 by Inliytened1

[arlin]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@arlin i think what your missing is Infinity/Reality/Universe is consciousness.  It is conscious.  The content within infinity or Reality..the formed..that may or not be self conscious.  The formless is just pure potential.  Pure consciousness..whose substance is absolutely nothing.  

But God is both the formless and the formed.  To God its all One.  It doesn't matter whether something (you) is carved out or not.  It's all One thing.

 

Oh yes i understand it. You might be right. I identify consciousness with self-consciousness.

but that's because it seems so fkin strange... how can a void be conscious? Don't know. And of course you can't prove it to me, but you say that you can use logic and understanding the limits of science.

Doesn't this require faith to be believed? Don't know.

How can you know that, that void is consciousness and not just void?

[Inliytened1]

@arlin because its infnite..it can do that!

And guess what...its YOU. 

[Inliytened1]

@arlin dont think of nothing as a void.  void to me implies a void inside time space.  Infinity is prior to that.  Time and space are yet more content within infinity.

[arlin]

@Inliytened1 Damn ur right, i keep forgetting ahahah.

But because it's infinite it can be not-consciousness at the same time right? 

And does this delete the consciousness part?

[Inliytened1]

@arlin None of this ever happened. 

 

[Inliytened1]

Existence and non-existentence or superimposed right on top of each other.

There is no where else to go.

This can't be grasped with the finite mind.  Need a mystical experience

[zeroISinfinity]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Existence and non-existentence or superimposed right on top of each other.

There is no where else to go.

This can't be grasped with the finite mind.  Need a mystical experience

But the finite mind is infinite mind there is no separation going on or any kind of reduction or limitation. That Love is everything right Now. @Inliytened1

 

[arlin]

Oh now i understand... ahaha

so what exactly happens when you die then?

[zeroISinfinity]

Just now, arlin said:

Oh now i understand... ahaha

so what exactly happens when you die then?

Discover yourself by using actual practises and not asking for answer. Mind can never grasp this stuff. You Will Just create another beleif system and you Will become Brown bear. 

I can give it to you but it is not IT. 

[arlin]

3 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

I can give it to you but it is not IT. 

what do you mean by that?

[Shin]

7 minutes ago, arlin said:

Oh now i understand... ahaha

so what exactly happens when you die then?

 

No you don't !

Whatever you think you know is only conceptual, it's an idea, it's not the real thing !

You can only know anything for real when it's in your actual experience !

 

Edited May 17, 2019 by Shin

[arlin]

5 minutes ago, Shin said:

You can only know anything for real when it's in your actual experience !

allright, im beginnin to get this. Im beginnin to believe that maybe i do need an  experience.

But im not sure if i want to. I meditate everyday but not for enlightnment purposes. Or maybe i can use psychedelics.

I will think about that.

[zeroISinfinity]

4 minutes ago, Shin said:

 

No you don't !

Whatever you think you know is only conceptual, it's an idea, it's not the real thing !

You can only know anything for real when it's in your actual experience !

 

@Shin Oh really, bash me once again with zen stick and I Will go full rampage mode on you. 

Yes, no matter what you ever learned no matter how much true it is, it is still a concept. 

[Inliytened1]

@arlin only the perspective of arlin dies.  You will take infinite perspectives..forever..forever and ever and ever.  You will be me.  You will be your dog.  And you will be Napoleon.

[Inliytened1]

@zeroISinfinity indeed Absolute Love is a fundamental facet of Infinity or God.  So from a perspective, God=Love=Infinity.

[Nahm]

@arlin Does it seem like there is experience and awareness of it, or there is awareness and then experience?

[arlin]

To me seems like there is experience and awareness of it. @Nahm