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Natureboy: A Modern Zen Devil

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This post is intentionally written provocatively  in order to make it interesting to read :). All said here can be confirmed if you follow these people on social media.

I am not here to criticize...I actually want to see Naturboy and his group prosper and grow spiritually. His mistakes as a spiritual teacher have taught me a lot and I wish you can learn from his flaws as well.

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Ex-stripper and Gay pornstar by the name of Eligio Bishop claims to be The Messiah...the Christ...and he has started a spiritual community in the jungle to get himself and his followers away from "babylon". 

The group goes by the name Carbonation, and although their intentions may be good, it has all gone south recently. 

Polygamy and a belief to aviod contraceptives has been a bad combination...when members of your tribe enter with various STD's: herpes and HIV included.

Naturboy's main flaw is that he lacks embodyment of truth. Spiritual practices like meditation, yoga or psychedelics are ignored. The guy can theorize and spit out explanations for everything...the universe, God, Ego, sexuality, science and even astrology BUT...

at the same time, he manipulates his members, he lies, he is in chronic state of anger and frustration, he debates with everyone who speak out againts him and always plays the victim.

Studying this man can give you HUGE insights about the traps involved in doing spiritual work.

Watch this documentary if you wana learn more:

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I don't know, atleast he is doing something :) even if it's wrong. He is kind of lost, but who cares? 

We are in this world to play, because too much seriosity can get you killed. 


... 7 rabbits will live forever.                                                                                                                                                                                                  

 

 

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He has fell into the trap of calling himself a master on his way to mastery. This dude embodies nonduality but lacks epistemic knowledge. Psychedelics would deeply humble him, so would yoga and meditation but he think he has got it all. I honestly appreciate everything he is doing despite my opinions of him. Besides, he is not for everybody to watch, you need a lot of maturity to read between his lines. His vibe, passion, and intention is what keeps me watching, also he talks to his viewers so Im studying the dude so I can offer him something of significant although he seems to be very close-minded. He forsurely falls into the same traps he tells others to avoid. I love mycellf;)

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You still posting about this guy? Maybe you are missing a lesson here? nevertheless, he knows a thing or two but the situation is he had an awakening and called it permanent enlightenment. He stopped doing all the inner work, instead created his own without self-mastery. Many people get caught up in this first step of awakening in which they mistaken for true enlightenment. Knowing too much without proper integration deludes Understanding.

I and many others have fell into this trap many times, if we don't step back and remember what we initially did to get to our purest states we end up no better than those we are trying to help awaken. I believe in his case he has gone too far on focusing on others and completely forgot how he got to where he gained access to all that knowledge in the first place.

Awakening is like being born again, like baby, you are full of life and answers to those who have yet to awaken but you are still a baby compared to enlightened masters and only just woke up and haven't even scratched the surface of how deep the rabbit whole goes.


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22 hours ago, Vipassana said:

He has fell into the trap of calling himself a master on his way to mastery. This dude embodies nonduality but lacks epistemic knowledge. Psychedelics would deeply humble him, so would yoga and meditation but he think he has got it all. I honestly appreciate everything he is doing despite my opinions of him. Besides, he is not for everybody to watch, you need a lot of maturity to read between his lines. His vibe, passion, and intention is what keeps me watching, also he talks to his viewers so Im studying the dude so I can offer him something of significant although he seems to be very close-minded. He forsurely falls into the same traps he tells others to avoid. I love mycellf;)

@Vipassana lol yes...he was doing so well when he was on the journey all by himself. 

I think he makes a good case study because it just shows how important embodyment is and how difficult it can be to run a spiritual community.

 

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@pluto yes yes...I know I need to let this go and not judge this guy. That will happen soon I think.

Its just that I love love love to study cults. I was a Jehova's Witness three years ago and the psychology of cult leaders just amazes me...because I can relate to it a lot.

So please forgive me...

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Very common.

Do not trust young spiritual leaders to run solid communities. Running a spiritual community requires enormous development, ethics, experience, wisdom, and maturity. Spiritual communities quickly devolve into sex cults if the leader isn't masterful in his self-control, ethics, and emotions.

You can almost guarantee that spiritual communities lead by 20-30 year olds will devolve very quickly. They have no idea the challenges.

Enlightenment alone is nowhere near enough to run successful spiritual community.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Leo Gura have you ever listened to any of his videos? The information he provides is actually very practical. A whole new paradigm. It actually shed alot of light into how I am to intregate the wisdom you provide with the information he presents. 

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@Vipassana There is no contradiction between cults and genuine spiritual wisdom. Cults are often a mixture of both. It's a common mistake to assume that cults offer no valid spiritual insight. The issue is, spiritual insights via a video or book do not guarantee that the cult isn't a shit-show behind the scenes.

Case in point: Osho's commune. Osho was a good teacher but a terrible community leader.

Saying advanced stuff into a camera is very easy compared to running a high consciousness community. Narcissistic cult leaders are often exceptionally good at speaking, bullshitting, and putting up fake fronts. That is their Zone of Genius. So you can't take appearances too seriously. Look at their actions rather than their words.

If the community leader is taking on multiple wives or asking for six figure donations or has a criminal history -- that's a HUGE red flag.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Leo Gura i agree. Their cult is definitely a shit show on and off camera, however, like you said,  the information he provides is beyond woo woo new age stuff. I was just asking if you have seen any of his content because he actually speaks of practicalities that I think he himself does not understand its full implications. I actually think if he were to ever come across your content, his cult would go through an intervention. He speaks of Melanin, epigenetics, DNA, quantum mechanics, which I assume you know, but he has very clearly articulated and intregated scientific understanding with non duality which I rarely see in other "spiritual circles". Keeping an open mind, ive learned alot from his teachings. He is very knowledgeable when it comes to the technologies of our body & nature. His practical teachings, if intregated with your metaphysical insights would help an individual become super conducive to the Truth, like it has done with me. 

I have actually been hoping he sees some of your content and you see some of his because in my mind, if both of you were fully intregated by an individual, there would open up a new dimenson or a new prespective of previously undiscovered insights. 

Besides, after carefully observing, i see right through his narcissism and how its merely a ego backlash because a large amount of people are attacking and trying to crucify him. 

The more I watch, the more I witness the divinity playing a classic game. 

The more you look the more you see and knowing what you teach, this person is definitely worth looking into. Even for you. 

 

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38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If the community leader is taking on multiple wives or asking for six figure donations or has a criminal history -- that's a HUGE red flag.

Would this narrative still imply after awakening? Because from what ive learned from you is, you awaken by 1% then go back sleep, then next time you awaken by 2%.

All of those red flags are from the past, he has actually matured alot and i havent quiet found anyone to be as authentic and radically honest than him, other than you ofcourse, to some degree. 

Is there a way to look beyond his actions and still derive some understanding? 

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@Vipassana I am aware of his content, although I haven't watched much of it.

I agree he shares some good wisdom and insights. Many cult leaders share valuable insights.

I'm all for learning from multiple sources. Just don't join a cult.

It's very difficult to outgrow those red flags.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Leo Gura i actually made an instagram account with his cult name just to spread snippets your videos to his subscribers;) alot of his viewers would greatly be benefited if only they heard some of your epistemology. Many of them seem to be very thirsty for the truth, they just lack proper guidance through the various traps. 

Now they just need to join the actualized cult by Master Chief Leo the Christ and all will be well :D

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20 hours ago, Vipassana said:

I have actually been hoping he sees some of your content and you see some of his because in my mind, if both of you were fully intregated by an individual, there would open up a new dimenson or a new prespective of previously undiscovered insights. 

Naturboy has seen Leo's videos (or at least one) because I saw him comment on one recent video titled :

"What is Perception? The Metaphysics of Perception"

 

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On 26/12/2018 at 8:14 PM, Vipassana said:

He has fell into the trap of calling himself a master on his way to mastery. This dude embodies nonduality but lacks epistemic knowledge. Psychedelics would deeply humble him, so would yoga and meditation but he think he has got it all. I honestly appreciate everything he is doing despite my opinions of him. Besides, he is not for everybody to watch, you need a lot of maturity to read between his lines. His vibe, passion, and intention is what keeps me watching, also he talks to his viewers so Im studying the dude so I can offer him something of significant although he seems to be very close-minded. He forsurely falls into the same traps he tells others to avoid. I love mycellf;)

Peace Reflection...I love myself 

Agreed man...he has such a powerful way of delivering truth.

I think Natureboy and his group would benefit enormously if they started doing psychedelics. One time I asked him if he would try psychedelics and he said "I am a psychedelic"

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@Sage_Elias He still has many lingering egoic needs from lower stages he hasn't integrated. No wonder he's going to dismiss a stage turquoise video because all of his life depends on preserving the ideology he falls a prey to. He needs to be watching "What is the Devil?" "What is wrong with the ego?" Understanding how Paradigms Work?" "  "How Ideology works" "Mechanics of Beliefs". 

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1 minute ago, Sage_Elias said:

I think Natureboy and his group would benefit enormously if they started doing psychedelics. One time I asked him if he would try psychedelics and he said "I am a psychedelic"

He's not wrong lool living how this dude lives, intune with nature for a lack of a better phrase. He's very conducive to his being, He gets a lot of sun and melanin is one heck of a psychedelic. 

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