Am i my own matrix?

[Amun]

Another way of asking this is: Am i the brain and the vat at the same time? 

[Nahm]

@Amun Am I _______? Answer’s always yes. 

 

[Amun]

@NahmThank you for your reply. It appears to me that you apprached the question from a more idealistic angle. I was trying to communicate a spesific idea about the way of being. But thank you nonetheless. 

[Bluff]

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Amun said:

Am i the brain and the vat at the same time? 

what is the vat? The Body?

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Amun said:

I was trying to communicate a spesific idea about the way of being.

so, communicate it. 

you want to know what being is?

Being is pure observation. consciousness. A state.

[Amun]

@Bluff thank you. What i wanted to say is for me a bit hard to express. Another way of asking the same question would be; "Am i the puppet and the puppet master?" or "Do i show to myself what i see?". Brain in a vat is a scenario often used in thought experiments. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

[non_nothing]

You are dream

[TheAvatarState]

@Amun Mu. 

The brain does not control your body, it is not the seat of Consciousness, it is just another perception. 

What is this "I" You speak of? Define it. 

[Amun]

@TheAvatarState In that example brain doesn't refer to the biological organ, but rather symbolizes where perception happens / what perception happens to, whereas the vat represents what creates the experience of perception, which is similar to the matrix example where matrix is the creator of experience whereas the person in matrix is the object of the experience, to whom experience happens. 

Edited December 22, 2018 by Amun
Grammar error

[ground]

Question not applicable.

[TheAvatarState]

@Amun exactly the same thing. Again, mu. Meaning, question not applicable, leading with false assumptions, question begging. Look up the Zen Mu koan.

[Aaron p]

On 20/12/2018 at 0:58 PM, Amun said:

Another way of asking this is: Am i the brain and the vat at the same time? 

@Amun the matrix is still an ideology so, while it is a good metaphor in some respects, don't lean onto it. Just don't believe anything

[Hellspeed]

Isn't IT obvious? Why ask? Dwelve in Breath. 

[Bluff]

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Amun said:

"Am i the puppet and the puppet master?" or "Do i show to myself what i see?"

yes you are.

check out Leo's Vids on "strangeloops" and "things going full circle" 

there should be some insights waiting for you