Jordan Peterson on Incels and Female Hypergamy

[Sea]

@Emerald You're talking about 2 different things though. "Guys are only attracted based on looks" applies for sex only. For a guy to want to be in a long-term relationship with a woman the attraction will need to be on a deeper level. So you're comparing male sexual attraction with female romantic attraction, which is apples and oranges. 

[MM1988]

5 minutes ago, Samra said:

@MM1988 why you hit on your friends? Are you guys really friends , or you have ulterior motives? If you do have other motives, would you ultimately call that a friendship? Can your "friend" trust you , or you are not trustworthy? 

 

I thought they are friends but they are also attractive to me. They messaged me a lot some time so I thought why not try more they might feel the same. They didnt though.

[SFRL]

2 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Thats cool you are considering it. I've been in a relationship for more than half a decade now, so a thread like this isn't a reflexion of my needs. But I'd be in for participating too and try to bring anything I can  

Well there you go. 

[Samra]

5 minutes ago, MM1988 said:

I thought they are friends but they are also attractive to me. They messaged me a lot some time so I thought why not try more they might feel the same. They didnt though.

@MM1988 thanks for the honest answer. I think you are not too far off. You might have become too bitter. Maybe you are in love with one of these girls , and the rejection is hard. Treat women with love and respect, and show them your are trustworthy. The JP stuff are not all good. Follow your own natural manly gut. Forget about the bullshit on the internet. I will step out of this thread cause it's just weird. But I wish for you a nice romantic love soon. 

[now is forever]

@Emerald but that goes also for friendship - or soulmates - i realized. i used to confuse that sometimes when i was a teen. you are pointing that out quiet well.

real love comes with trust and loyalty and commitment. that’s why relationships often don’t survive.

[kingroboto]

38 minutes ago, MM1988 said:

@kingroboto I'm 29. Ive not given up yet but it looks dark. I'll try my luck with women for some more time but then I will go  into permanent virgin monk-mode. So far my life experiences match with the worldviews I and JP laid out here.

I get it man, I've been where you were. You whine here because you want your view to be validated so you don't have to put any effort, don't take any risks, and just wallow in your misery with other 80% losers, because that's still more comfortable than trying something new. I'm turning 33 soon, you have 4 yr head start. The way I look at it is you have the rest of your life to improve yourself. (or don't, because none of this really matters at the end) imagine yourself achieving everything you wanted at age 30 - what the fuck will you do for the other 60 yrs?

"men age like wine, women age like bread" - Patrice O'neal  (rip)

Edited July 10, 2018 by kingroboto

[Sea]

4 minutes ago, Emerald said:

My very point is the male and female attraction work differently. So, I agree with the point that male and female attraction are apples and oranges.

That said, it's very common that men use looks as their main standard for whether or not they're attracted to a woman. So, they tend to defer to objective qualifiers to determine whether or not they will go out with someone. There can be other objective qualifiers too. But it's still a list of things, that if a woman has them then they will consider dating her. It's objective and uses the rational mind.

Women, on the other hand, tend to get deeper and more intuitive initial attractions. So, a woman won't necessarily know why she's attracted to a guy. All she will know is that she wants to be as close to him as possible. She will be attracted to him just because he is who is his. So, it's very selective. But it's non-objectifying. If a woman is deeply attracted to you, it usually means something to her. 

You don't get what I said. There isn't just one type of attraction.

[now is forever]

both get dry though and wine often gets sour. amen

[SFRL]

1 minute ago, kingroboto said:

"men age like wine, women age like bread" - Patrice O'neal  (rip)

"Men start to look more and more like George Clooney the older they get. Women start to look more and more like George Clooney the older they get as well" - My Dad

[kingroboto]

1 minute ago, SFRL said:

"Men start to look more and more like George Clooney the older they get. Women start to look more and more like George Clooney the older they get as well" - My Dad

your dad is a very wise man

Edited July 10, 2018 by kingroboto

[now is forever]

that‘s so low consciousness you should ask yourself who is talking there. certainly not yourself - maybe the offspring of your problems.

[Sea]

Women have a poor understanding of why male attraction manifests the way it does.

[kingroboto]

lol it's just humor ladies, with some does of truth in it. Don't get all triggered now

[now is forever]

@Sea obviously dito

[Elisabeth]

53 minutes ago, Sea said:

@Emerald You're talking about 2 different things though. "Guys are only attracted based on looks" applies for sex only. For a guy to want to be in a long-term relationship with a woman the attraction will need to be on a deeper level. So you're comparing male sexual attraction with female romantic attraction, which is apples and oranges. 

Maybe the point is ... they are not as clearly separated for a lot of women (and a lot of men who are in touch with emotions, no doubt). 

To get a "I want to fuck" feeling based only on looks ... yeah... that's quite rare for me. And even if I do, if I than see the guy do something disrespectful ... the attraction will just vanish *poof*. That quick.

On the other hand, I can go on fantasizing about a guy because he's clever. Or some average dude suddenly becomes attractive to me because he's handled a situation in an admirable way.

See, I can't separate sexual and romantic attraction clearly. Somewhat, yeah.

I can't speak for all women obviously. Nor am I the woman these guys are after when they seek casual sex. So feel free to disregard, just please make a mental note "oh, for some people there's no such thing as looks=attraction sex drive". 

Edited July 10, 2018 by Elisabeth

[SFRL]

28 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

The women body is just a form where behind is consciousness.  A man who is talking about us like you are doesn't make a woman in her prime want to invest her time in you. It shows craving for a body and no care for the being behind. This doesn't show any type of love and respect, just objectification and the promise for a shallow relationship.

 

 

My dad has been with my mom since they are 19 and 18 and still happily married.

My mom is a very pretty woman. 

[now is forever]

maybe just maybe - to give you guys something to think: emancipation is not only for woman - and for women it’s not about being against men anymore.

what would it be to be an emancipated man? ( also in terms of integrating the view of women )

could be an answer to many of your problems

 

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, now is forever said:

maybe just maybe - to give you guys something to think: emancipation is not only for woman - and for women it’s not about being against men anymore.

what would it be to be an emancipated man? ( also in terms of integrating the view of women )

could be an answer to many of your problems

 

I actually made a video that gets at this question a bit, in a round about way. It's about Divine Feminine integration. 

 

[SFRL]

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

'lol. It's just a little lemon juice. Don't get all triggered now.'

Says the person with no cuts on them to the person with a lot of cuts on them. 

You and other men can take what you said as a joke because you'll never have to experience aging in the same way that women do. For women, it's a really big existential crisis, because they are told their entire lives that their looks are what makes them important. So, when a woman's looks fade with age, statements like the one that was made above is anything but a joke. It's pouring lemon juice on deep wounds. 

So, forgive us for not laughing. You wouldn't either if you were a woman. 

52 minutes ago, kingroboto said:

Well my mom laughed....

See you don't get it. We don't experience aging like you do. But women they don't experience growing up and having to builds up your sexual attractiveness like guys do. 

Being a woman is like starting out with a job that pays 500K a year straight out of highschool and then make a little less every year. Then get fired at 30 and having to work on the garbage truck. 

Shit we are not the same. Pros and cons to both I guess. Both Feminists and Incels can't accept that reality. You actually have a lot in common. 

[now is forever]

@SFRL what - you are kidding me ? as if we didn’t have to fight for who we are. ask a woman what she does every morning in the bathroom to be attractive. and please once try to walk in high heels.

Edited July 10, 2018 by now is forever