Problems are an Illusion of the Ego

[Revolutionary Think]

  

[DonMario]

Have a great peace of mind, thanks.

[Revolutionary Think]

No problem.

[Bobby]

Illusions of the ego are the problem.

[MisterMan]

says the ego

Edited June 22, 2018 by MisterMan

[Faceless]

The ego, born as an evolved reaction and response to problems, and problems are a reaction and response that perpetuate the ego. 

A Mutual movement of dependence. 

 

[Revolutionary Think]

@MisterMan I think you mean says the problems. If there weren't any problems there wouldn't be an ego there would just be what is. 

[robdl]

Problems - movement from what-is. 

Desire - movement from what-is.

Fear - movement from what-is. 

Psychological time - movement from what-is.

The nature of thought itself is movement from what-is.  

And see the involvement  of desire/wanting, fear/worry, and time (dwelling on past/considering the future) in our problems?  All one and same movement of thought.

 

Edited June 23, 2018 by robdl

[pluto]

If you want a simple example to see how all is perception, all you have to do is get a fidget spinner and spin it in one direction slow enough so you can see if its clockwise or anti-clockwise. Now once you see which direction it is going, flip it over and it now is spinning in the opposite direction

Simple Physics

[Ananta]

7 hours ago, robdl said:

Problems - movement from what-is. 

Desire - movement from what-is.

Fear - movement from what-is. 

Psychological time - movement from what-is.

The nature of thought itself is movement from what-is.  

And see the involvement  of desire/wanting, fear/worry, and time (dwelling on past/considering the future) in our problems?  All one and same movement of thought.

 

Kay, so do you have an example of what your thinking is like? You say, "any movement from what-is" is this, that and the other.

We all have thoughts, we all have desire/fear, even If we don't act or identify with those desire/fears. We all have problems/challenges that arise, that have to be dealt with in some way.

So, what are practical examples of what you are trying to say? What are you saying folks should and shouldn't do, in your view.

Thanks 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2018 by Anna1

[robdl]

22 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

Kay, so do you have an example of what your thinking is like? You say, "any movement from what-is" is this, that and the other.

We all have thoughts, we all have desire/fear, even If we don't act or identify with those desire/fears. We all have problems/challenges that arise, that have to be dealt with in some way.

So, what are practical examples of what you are trying to say? What are you saying folks should and shouldn't do, in your view.

Thanks 

 

 

Thought (self) is akin to a self-feeding or self-perpetuating movement/loop that is  fueled by volition, desire, fear, belief, knowledge, ideas, etc. Giving thought-self methods, beliefs, goals, etc., feeds this loop. But this is hard to understand from within this movement of self-seeking. It has to be seen wholly, not coming from a conditioned point of view.

 

Thought-self is always seeking security in its own movement. Movements of seeking/escape fuel it.

Thought-self then creates a “how to end thought-self?” (I.e, seeking/escaping) which is thought-self perpetuating itself. 

See the subtletly of these traps? It’s incredible, actually.

Edited June 23, 2018 by robdl

[Ananta]

10 minutes ago, robdl said:

Thought (self) is akin to a self-feeding or self-perpetuating movement/loop that is  fueled by volition, desire, fear, belief, knowledge, ideas, etc. Giving thought-self methods, beliefs, goals, etc., feeds this loop. But this is hard to understand from within this movement of self-seeking. It has to be seen wholly, not coming from a conditioned point of view.

 

Thought-self is always seeking security in its own movement.

I'm not trying to hassle you, but I'm actually requesting to have practical examples? Like from your daily life. Basically, how you walk the talk, so to speak.

 

Edited June 23, 2018 by Anna1

[robdl]

1 minute ago, Anna1 said:

I'm not trying to hassle you, but I'm actually requesting to have practical examples? Like from your daily life. Basically, how you walk the talk, so to speak.

 

See my edits 

[robdl]

The issue is that this can become a debate/argument which is actually thought-self engaging in an ego defensive mode to sustain its movement/seek security in its beliefs

[Ananta]

1 minute ago, robdl said:

The issue is that this can become a debate/argument which is actually thought-self engaging in an ego defensive mode to sustain its movement/seek security in its beliefs

Ok, so, no examples. That's fine.

[robdl]

2 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

Ok, so, no examples. That's fine.

Here’s a practical example everyone on the forum can relate to. You read a spiritual book or watch a YouTube video that says that thought needs to end for enlightenment to happen. Thought then hears this and almost compulsively creates a “how to end thought?” thought. Which then breeds thought-self seeking for methods, answers — this is self-perpetuation of thought-self in action.

[robdl]

“How to’s?” fuel the fire of thought-self and sustain its movement.

[robdl]

No to-do’s 

no-how-to’s

No escapes 

No seeking 

passive attention that is whole/silent.

[Ananta]

2 minutes ago, robdl said:

Here’s a practical example everyone on the forum can relate to. You read a spiritual book or watch a YouTube video that says that thought needs to end for enlightenment to happen. Thought then hears this and almost compulsively creates a “how to end thought?” thought. Which then breeds thought-self seeking for methods, answers — this is self-perpetuation of thought-self in action.

Ok, I get that...just for conversation purposes (not debate), using your example, would you say that the thought- "perhaps I should meditate or do Self inquiry", wouldnt be a worthy thought in that example? Even though it would perpetuate thought "now", it may eliminate thought in the future. 

Nothing wrong with "how to"s if it helps peeps understand what you are trying to say. Why say it, if you're not understood.

[robdl]

Thought-self introducing time, is thought-self in the movement of seeking its own security. It’s a movement of fear.

Because time (psychological time, not clock time) is/of thought. Thoughts of past/thought projections of future (future-thoughts bred from past thought-self.)

The subtletly of this trap is astonishing. But you will see it.

Edited June 24, 2018 by robdl