Raw Meat Diet

[sgn]

On 2018-02-27 at 5:11 AM, Slade said:

I think if a child was hungry and you put meat in front of it, it would eat it. 

The only reason I don’t run after a pig and kill it for food is because I’m not starving. I can go to the supermarket and feed myself. If I was about to die from starvation and I saw a pig, ya damn right I would run after it. 

Yes raw meat looks appealing especially sushi. I love raw tuna and fish eggs. 

Idk who would eat insects when they can have steak. 

@Slade Fuck I wasn't gonna answer but I feel like I have to call out bullshit when I see it.

No I really don't think a child would want to eat raw flesh if you handed it to him.
If he do it's probably a learned behavior. Not natural instinct. It would gladly choose a fruit instead.

You we're talking about that we should trust our natural instincts more and yet you would only run after a pig if you were starving.
Does going to a supermarket to buy meat sound more natural? 
Only reason you think it's so natural is because you have learned to like meat.
If you were to choose between raw meat and fruit as a child before you learned it it's obvious what you'd choose.
You say raw meat looks appealing because you remember how it taste like all the time you have cooked and eat it and make associations to it. I don't think if you are really honest here that you actually can admit you like the taste of raw meat. Forget sushi, tuna and fish eggs lol. What about the TASTE of RAW (and without salt and spices) cow, pig, chicken, lamb?

It's not me who started talking about what's natural. I think it's kinda ridicilous but now that you brought it up I wonder why you contradict yourself.

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I didn’t say anything about better tasting foods meaning they’re healthier. However, the first thing babies want when they come into this world is milk. Not veggies, not fruit, good ol natural milk. 

You're not a baby anymore!
A baby that want's milk from it's mother is a bit different than an adult drinking from other species.
The later part sounds natural to you?
And yeah I'm sure it's important for a baby to be fed in an easy way. It doesn't have teeth either so. And if there's no food around, the baby will always have the breast milk. So I'm sure evolution took care of that part.
If it's so natural why don't you still suck on your mommas tittes and nothing else?

I'm gonna write my responses in blue here:

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Do you think the medical industry really wants you to be healthy?
No but the world isn't ruled by them.
Do you think the meat and dairy industry really wants you to be healthy?
The medical industry makes money a lot because of the lies of meat and dairy industry.

You’re worth a lot more money to them if you’re sick.
Yes and the same can be said about meat and dairy industry.

So it makes sense that any scientific studies funded by such corporations would be biased to show the health benefits of toxic foods and the negative effects of real healthy foods. If they can brainwash you into thinking you’re vegan diet is “healthy”, then you’ll never question it because all of your peers are doing the same.
Again that can also be said about meat and dairy industry. Lol. Can't you see the irony?

And as your body slowly begins to become malnourished and your brain shuts down, your medical bills will begin to add up.
Should I post some pictures of VEGAN bodybuilders, strongmans, top athletes, world record holders etc or is it even necessary?
Why would I become malnourised and why would my brain shut down?

Why am I even wasting time on trolls...
I just think it's sad that some people actually believe what you say so I guess I'm trying to help them.
Please stop spreading lies.

Edited March 1, 2018 by sgn

[Slade]

@sgn it’s crazy how much you defend your diet as if it’s like your religion or something. Haha it evokes compassion my friend. Maybe I’m wrong and I’ll stand humbled if that truth ever comes to me but as of right now it’s very clear to me that vegans and fruitarians are mislead into thinking their toxic diet is healthy. A lot of the foods you eat are man made hybrids. You wouldn’t survive on real raw fruits in nature. Close your mind if you want, but that won’t stop me from spreading what I’ve learned. ??

[sgn]

@Slade Don't have compassion for me. Have it for the animals. 
It's pretty sad to see people desperately defend their meat eating. Although some admit they have no excuse.
It's not just about diet. You're supporting unnecessary abuse, slavery, rape and murder of animals.

You admittet before that you like to play the devils advocate. Why? You really hate animals that much and wish them to suffer?
But I'm absolutely sure you don't realize how much suffering there really is so I guess I can't really blame you. Few people do.
I didn't know before either, before I researched it.
I go to great length in these discussions with you because I think it's important to stand up and fight for the animals.
They can't do it themselves.

You say that veganism is bad but you don't really say specifically what's bad about it.
You say it's lacking. But not of what. Now you say it's toxic. Exactly what is toxic?
You pull things from your ass then I prove you wrong. You avoid it and change to something new . So selective. 

If people eat meat I'm not instantly going to attack them. But when they're spreading lies about veganism and act like it's justified to support animal abuse then I react.
Again don't talk about what's natural or not or man made.
It's not like all of the animals that exist now would exist without humans or that they would have the same size and taste etc.

What are you trying to say with the picture? That some children eat raw meat? Of course they do. If I try to find pictures of children eating sand, or poo, or whatever, I can probably find it. Doesn't say anything about if that's what they actually prefer over anything else or if it's the natural instinct to choose that over other foods. Maybe they have no choice either.
There's pictures on WHATEVER you'll google.
Should I post a couple thousand children eating fruits? vegetables? potatoes? beans?...

Yeah do whatever you want of course and eat meat I don't expect anything else.

Fuck once again my post became longer than I was thinking 

I realize this doesn't lead anywhere and I hope in the future you can extend your compassion to animals.
They are really innocent and helpless. They have traits just like dogs and cats and is VERY similar in many ways.
They have friends. Likes to play. Cuddle and all that.
They just happened to be born looking a different way. Unlucky.

 

Edited March 2, 2018 by sgn

[SgtPepper]

@Slade I can see by your comments that you have a lot of influence from sv3rige, but I am not convinced of his beliefs. I don't think all studies are bullshit nor are they run by the New World Order. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes partially agree, and sometimes I disagree. Sv3rige straight up says fruits, fiber, and vegetables are bad or useless and are toxic for your body, but it makes no sense. Japanese people are some of the longest living people and they live off grains and vegetables with minimal meat. It also doesn't explain that vegans in general have less rates of diseases like atherosclerosis. I am not even vegan, but I found vegetables, seeds, nuts, and fruits to be excellent addition to my daily diet.

Regarding your last comment, I am aware of the keto-genic diet too, I have a friend who got good results with it but found it to be unsustainable. 

All people who want to understand Slade, need to understand the paleo movement as well as the fear of nutritional deficiencies in veganism long-term.

Videos like this help understand the slade's fear or dislike of plant foods/vegan movement: 

 

and he has more where he points certain nutrients are not received from animal products such as Creatine, Taurine, B12, Carnosine, K2, D, "True" Vitamin A, and more that I am forgetting.

In a way, sv3rige has definitely made me hesitant about going vegan, so at the moment I will stay eating Whole Foods, mostly plant-based.

Still he does not answer how individuals like Paul McCartney who has been vegetarian and recently vegan (2013) for over 30+ years, but still look and act healthy. 

[sgn]

@SgtPepper The poor guy has some serious mental issues and is a danger to himself and others who follows him.
It's like he just always have to do and believe the opposite of common sense.
The guy promotes sungazing. Believes the earth is flat. Got seriously sick because of his diet.

 

[SgtPepper]

sv3rige is unique, no doubt, but not the only one who promotes raw meat, so his promotion of raw meat has nothing to do with mental illnesses; Cultures do it, Bruce Lee tried raw meat, and many find benefits from it http://www.wewant2live.com. It has been shown scientifically to carry a lot of nutrients as well, but I am just not interested in it, given the risks. However, my move towards removing cooked meat and fish has halted, I think I will keep meat seeing as there is not enough evidence that removing meat is healthier than keeping meat. 

[pluto]

This video brought tear to my eye

I also think this video is quite important to watch explaining why "whole food-plant-based" is superior to every other diet.

sv3rige is mentally ill lol every one knows that..

Edited March 3, 2018 by pluto

[Slade]

Sin started with an Apple. Adam and Eve ate the apple and that’s when shit went downhill. Would’ve been different if they ate raw meat. ?

Don’t take this too seriously, but there is some truth to it. A sick life and mind begins with eating sickly food. 

[sgn]

Will not take the bait.

[victormac]

Great thread.

[pluto]

On 3/5/2018 at 8:18 AM, Slade said:

Sin started with an Apple. Adam and Eve ate the apple and that’s when shit went downhill. Would’ve been different if they ate raw meat. ?

Don’t take this too seriously, but there is some truth to it. A sick life and mind begins with eating sickly food. 

"eating" was the problem. We are water beings, we thrive more on liquids than anything else. More liquid food the better we feel. Try fast on distilled water for 30 days your whole life and level of consciousness will shift. You will literally feel evolved, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually.

Food is an addiction if you want the absolute truth.

Edited March 6, 2018 by pluto

[sgn]

@pluto WTF 

[sgn]

14 hours ago, victormac said:

Great thread.

Hehe yeah? What have you got from it?

[jjer94]

14 hours ago, pluto said:

We are water beings, we thrive more on liquids than anything else.

Yup, let's all just live on prana and sprout/green/fruit juice...  I don't deny the cleansing power of that kind of regimen, but I don't think it's a sustainable lifestyle choice. Take a look at John Rose's senility after 26+ years of doing raw veganism. Look at his skin. Or how about someone more respectable:

 

Notice the pauses, the slurred speech, the tangents. He may not have gray hair, but he also may not have his brain. 

Raw meat is 40-60% water, by the way. Raw eggs are extremely hydrating as well. Ever try downing a few like Rocky? You're in for MORE of a treat than John Rose's treat. Within ten minutes, the energy and mental clarity is astonishing.

I don't mean to pull a Leo here, but diet is a very nuanced topic. Once you start studying all of the different viewpoints and testing out each diet yourself, prepare to be mindfucked again and again. 

I think there are energetic/emotional factors to eating that science doesn't acknowledge. Also, there aren't many studies on raw vs cooked, but especially with meat and dairy.

Raw meat and dairy are completely different to their cooked counterparts, in terms of nutritional content, bioavailability, and molecular structure. Vegans tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater in that regard - "ALL dairy is bad, ALL meat is bad." Pasteurized grain-fed dairy destroys the gut and takes more energy than it gives, but what about raw grass-fed dairy? Overcooked grain-fed factory-farmed meat has carcinogenic byproducts from cooking, contributes to animal cruelty, has trace amounts of glyphosate from the grains, but what about raw or rare grass-fed, grass-finished local meat?

The point is this: radical open-mindedness. If within the next few years on your regimen, you happen to feel fatigued, brain fogged, loss of libido, loss of motivation, loss of testosterone, muscle wasting, don't feel ashamed (like I was) to eat a nice juicy ribeye (and immediately feel alive again like I did). Until then, you do you. I find it impressive that you can fast for that long. I've done two 9-day fasts before; already being underweight, I almost died. 

There's a reason that Leo eats bacon and chicken and eggs, and there's a reason that all the vegans on the forum are up in arms about it. The reason is radical open-mindedness -- or lack thereof.

[pluto]

They don't have spiritual awareness thus why they age, you need to be spiritually evolved to live off prana and mostly liquids but if you study Andrew Norton Webber you will see every one that done a distilled water fast 30 - 90 days healed their whole bodies, reversed aging and many more benefits.

John rose and all those other guys know about health but don't know enough about light and spiritual knowledge and how the universe works and our bodies work to its core like some others do that thrive off liquids and look extremely young for their age.

Anette Larkins eats very high liquid-based raw food diet she is around 75 and looks 40. she sprouts and juices almost everything grown in her backyard. Ray Maor eats one light meal a week and is highly spiritually evolved, as are many other people that live more of liquid based have even regrown a third set of teeth like Victor Truviano and all these people are always the happiest most joyful and self-actualized people i know.

The purer you are the more you embody source consciousness. Food consciousness has a huge influence on our psyche especially the food today.

We know and understand very little of the human body and natures intelligence. Everything we were taught is completely wrong and misleading from the actual truth of our true potential and capabilities.

The 7 minute mark of this video explains it very well as does the book he mentions

Leo is quite behind when it comes to this kind of stuff thus why he stays out of it stop acting like his this know it all god as many people seem to be deluded by it in this forum. Yes he is very intelligent and quite awake and one of the most self-actualized people i know but He is far from Enlightened. He knows his stuff be he also doesn't know quiet a lot. There are others on this forum that are far more evolved spiritually and have a greater universal understanding. Stop putting Leo's name where it doesn't belong. He will speak for himself if necessary.

and for the last time if this doesn't click your clicker something is really wrong with the wiring in your brain.

 

 

Edited March 6, 2018 by pluto

[jjer94]

19 hours ago, pluto said:

We know and understand very little of the human body and natures intelligence. Everything we were taught is completely wrong and misleading from the actual truth of our true potential and capabilities.

The problem of ignorance: We don't know what we don't know. I have the personality trait of always feeling ignorant, which can be very uncomfortable at times.

Thanks for sharing the video. That's all new to me. I'll look into it.

The fruitarians love to copy/paste that chart. Our digestive tracts may resemble frugivory, but our digestive system evolved to be very flexible. If we are obligate frugivores, why do we succeed outside of the tropics? Why does virtually every primitive tribe around the world include some form of animal product in their diet? Why are we yet to discover a primitive fruit-based tribe? Why do we see so many failed fruitarians (like me, for example)? And if we're supposed to pick the wild fruit we're designed to eat, why aren't we quadrupedal tree-climbers like chimpanzees? 

Like I said, diet is very nuanced. We all come from different backgrounds. Best not to insult others for their apparent stupidity.

Here's some more info on wild fruit vs cultivated fruit: http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/fruit-table/wild-cultiv-fruit-1a.shtml and an article I found that takes more middle ground: https://deniseminger.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit/. I bring this up to demonstrate that modern fruitarianism is near impossible if you're not living in the tropics.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were successful fruitarians living in the tropics (Dan from Liferegenerator comes to mind, though we may need to clarify what "successful" means). But in order to be one, you have to eat. CONSTANTLY. It's living to eat, instead of the other way around. Most people believe there is more to life than planning your next meal. 

The spiritual connection with food? I have no idea. I just follow my body. But I'll keep all your points in mind for the future, as I continue to develop spiritually. I do feel better when I eat mostly raw, though. 

[Huginn]

 @jjer94 I think it's good to note the possible spiritual connection with food as a factor in being able to handle certain diets. I've seen it mentioned a good few times now. The most extreme cases mentions people being able to live on the Sun and Air. Wouldn't that be nice. All you'd need is somewhere to stay warm and sheltered. ^^