Martin Ball says physical reality is real

[Loveeee]

(Timestamped at 19:35)

I already knew he didn't realize solipsism but this is a new low, how is that even possible for a so-called 5meo expert

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Loveeee

[Jodistrict]

Kashmir Shaivism is non-dual and believes physical reality is real.  

[Leo Gura]

Depends on what is meant.

The physical world is a hallucination, but the hallucination is real.

[JoshB]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Depends on what is meant.

The physical world is a hallucination, but the hallucination is real.

But that raises the question if hes become conscious he's the one hallucinating. And if he has ceased to hallucinate as well.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, JoshB said:

And if he has ceased to hallucinate as well.

Awakening does not mean anyone ceases to hallucinate. You do not control your hallucination.

[JoshB]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Awakening does not mean anyone ceases to hallucinate. You do not control your hallucination.

You can cease to hallucinate the earth, an external world, other minds / bodies, other experiences / awakenings, perception, as well as anything human. 

Edited 4 hours ago by JoshB

[Clarence]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Depends on what is meant.

He starts explaining what he means in more details at 30:40.

Edited 4 hours ago by Clarence

[Wilhelm44]

So he is saying that the physical is real because it is consistent, ie same amount of money is still in my bank account when i wake up in the morning. Unlike a dream at night, when i wake up in the morning it's consistency is broken. 

[Wilhelm44]

So he is saying that life here on earth continues when you die.

[Wilhelm44]

@Leo Gura  Do I understand correctly, you are saying, when my body dies, this whole hallucination vanishes ?

[Leo Gura]

That's the problem when you reduce psychedelic work to energy work. Energy work does not produce understanding.

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

@Leo Gura  Do I understand correctly, you are saying, when my body dies, this whole hallucination vanishes ?

Of course. The world is you. When you go, the world goes.

[JoshB]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course. The world is you. When you go, the world goes.

When I realized God for the first time i ceased to imagine my body and the entire dream.

[Leo Gura]

Martin is not doing philosophical contemplation, which means his understanding of Reality will be shakey. That is the major downside of his approach.

He does not understand ontology or even Oneness.

Oneness means there cannot be a difference between anything.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Depends on what is meant.

The physical world is a hallucination, but the hallucination is real.

The video I linked starts at 19:35 where he explicitly disagrees with the " Buddhist/Hindu idea that the physical world has no more reality to it than a dream"

[Wilhelm44]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course. The world is you. When you go, the world goes.

So all of this is just for one life and then it's done ?

 

[Wilhelm44]

@Leo Gura  Which mean's there's no such thing as reincarnation ?

[Wilhelm44]

I mean when my body dies, all of the marvels of life was set up just for this one life experience, and then that's it forever ?

Edited 3 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

The video I linked starts at 19:35 where he explicitly disagrees with the " Buddhist/Hindu idea that the physical world has no more reality to it than a dream"

Well, he is wrong on that point.

The entire point of Awakening is to realize that the physical world is your own Mind.

25 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

So all of this is just for one life and then it's done ?

Just? You created the universe. That's not "just".

21 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Leo Gura  Which mean's there's no such thing as reincarnation ?

No, it does not mean that.

Reincarnation is easy. Just dream another dream.

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Reincarnation is easy. Just dream another dream.

But does that not imply some form of continuity of this hallucinated universe ?

Edited 3 hours ago by Wilhelm44