Martin Ball says physical reality is real

[Loveeee]

I already knew he didn't realize solipsism but this is a new low, how is that even possible for a so-called 5meo expert

 

[Jodistrict]

Kashmir Shaivism is non-dual and believes physical reality is real.  

[Leo Gura]

Depends on what is meant.

The physical world is a hallucination, but the hallucination is real.

[JoshB]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Depends on what is meant.

The physical world is a hallucination, but the hallucination is real.

But that raises the question if hes become conscious he's the one hallucinating. And if he has ceased to hallucinate as well.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, JoshB said:

And if he has ceased to hallucinate as well.

Awakening does not mean anyone ceases to hallucinate. You do not control your hallucination.

[JoshB]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Awakening does not mean anyone ceases to hallucinate. You do not control your hallucination.

You can cease to hallucinate the earth, an external world, other minds / bodies, other experiences / awakenings, perception, as well as anything human. 

Edited 50 minutes ago by JoshB

[Clarence]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Depends on what is meant.

He starts explaining what he means in more details at 30:40.

Edited 34 minutes ago by Clarence

[Wilhelm44]

So he is saying that the physical is real because it is consistent, ie same amount of money is still in my bank account when i wake up in the morning. Unlike a dream at night, when i wake up in the morning it's consistency is broken. 

[Wilhelm44]

So he is saying that life here on earth continues when you die.

[Wilhelm44]

@Leo Gura  Do I understand correctly, you are saying, when my body dies, this whole hallucination vanishes ?

[Leo Gura]

That's the problem when you reduce psychedelic work to energy work. Energy work does not produce understanding.

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

@Leo Gura  Do I understand correctly, you are saying, when my body dies, this whole hallucination vanishes ?

Of course. The world is you. When you go, the world goes.

[JoshB]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course. The world is you. When you go, the world goes.

When I realized God for the first time i ceased to imagine my body and the entire dream.

[Leo Gura]

Martin is not doing philosophical contemplation, which means his understanding of Reality will be shakey. That is the major downside of his approach.

Edited 4 minutes ago by Leo Gura