Woman Simulator Game

[trenton]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, that is sick but that makes it less interesting because it is too black and white.

Most women are not trapped by organized criminals. That's a freak situation and it does not reflect a typical marriage.

Correct. That's why I said this was a slavery simulator. Domestic servitude is human trafficking, and it is commonly disguised as a benign marriage on the surface.

An actual woman simulator as in a real trad wife would be so boring that nobody would want to play it. There would be no plot, no betrayal, no abuse. It is just routine until you die.

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, that is sick but that makes it less interesting because it is too black and white.

Most women are not trapped by organized criminals. That's a freak situation and it does not reflect a typical marriage.

I also thought it was kind of a waste of good commentary to be a crime drama essentially. 

[Basman]

Just now, trenton said:

Correct. That's why I said this was a slavery simulator. Domestic servitude is human trafficking, and it is commonly disguised as a benign marriage on the surface.

An actual woman simulator as in a real trad wife would be so boring that nobody would want to play it. There would be no plot, no betrayal, no abuse. It is just routine until you die.

Job simulators are plenty popular right now. You don't need drama for it to sell.

[Leo Gura]

Incel Simulator

[Jirh]

In some cultures, marriage is considered an early transition for the woman into the coffin. Die before you die kind of thing, but much more non-consensual and tragic. Most family-arranged marriages are like that for women. In many cases, she doesn't even get to say yes or no.

Women in the first world should always stay grateful.

[aurum]

12 hours ago, Bjorn K Holmstrom said:

Would that change how you think about homemaking?

I'm not convinced.

UBI does not strictly reduce dependency. It switches who you are dependent on, from your romantic partner to the state.

Is that better? Maybe. But maybe not.

Also, I don't personally want to organize my relationships around minimizing dependency. 

Edited 2 hours ago by aurum

[aurum]

11 hours ago, Etherial Cat said:

What bothers me most is that relationships are inherently uncertain. People evolve, feelings change, relationships transform, and circumstances shift. That's why I don't think anyone should make their long-term survival dependent on the stability of a romantic relationship.

Financial dependence is a risk in itself, one that I'm personally unwilling to take. And I suspect very few people would willingly accept that degree of vulnerability outside the context of marriage or a romantic relationship.

Once your financial survival depends on keeping a relationship intact, you may find yourself desperately trying to preserve something that no longer works, or tolerating situations you would otherwise find unacceptable simply because leaving isn't financially viable.

Of course, marrying someone extremely wealthy who provides you with a house, a trust fund, or some other form of financial security could mitigate that risk. But even then, I think it's important to maintain the skills, resources, financial literacy, and ability to create value that allow you to navigate the world independently. People die, businesses fail, fortunes disappear, and circumstances change.

As for motherhood, I actually love children, and I think contributing to creating and raising a family is an enormous privilege. I can easily imagine it being one of the most fulfilling things I could ever do.

But children have two parents, and I think traditional gender roles have historically deprived men of opportunities to participate fully in raising their own children. That's a shame, because I believe both fathers and children benefit enormously from spending time together and developing a close relationship.

And naturally, every hour the children spend with their father is also an hour during which their mother is free to pursue other interests, work on projects, or simply enjoy some time to herself. I personally have a strong need to create, learn, and work on projects, and I don't see why that should be incompatible with loving motherhood.

There's also the fact that raising children is an evolving responsibility, not a permanent state of intensive caregiving. The early years are particularly demanding, but children gradually become more autonomous. Our role as parents evolves from providing constant care to offering guidance, support, and increasingly more freedom.

And that's healthy for them, too. Children need to discover the world, develop their own identities, and become independent individuals rather than remain permanently under their mother's protective wing, however loving she may be.

So I don't see motherhood as something that should require sacrificing the rest of my identity, my projects, or my financial independence. Nor do I think being a good mother means being the parent who does absolutely everything.

If anything, I'd want my children to have two fully involved parents, each with a meaningful relationship with them, and each with a life and identity beyond parenthood.

Ultimately, I'm not against a partner providing financial support, nor do I think every contribution to a family needs to be financially compensated. I simply don't want my ability to survive independently to depend on the continued goodwill, love, or financial stability of another person.

You make very reasonable points.

The more essential issue to me is about trust. Finances are just a proxy for trust.

[LordFall]

23 hours ago, Etherial Cat said:

Are your idea of an interesting side quest drinking booze, and spending time with one of these?

Better stay home with some tea and some good book. 

That's a good point. A lot of the attractive woman privilege comes down to getting given free stuff that's of questionable value and comes with strings attached.

[trenton]

@Leo Gura what if we had a self help junkie simulator?

You would be a person dissatisfied with life so you go to places like actualized.org in the hopes of finding direction and purpose. You go to a bunch of life coaches, the gym, and eat healthy. You do meditation, set up spiritual retreats, try psychedelics, realize you are God and then go on to enlighten others.

You can even start out from a situation that mirrors your current situation and reasons for being dissatisfied with life while outlining different limiting beliefs.

[trenton]

2 hours ago, Jirh said:

In some cultures, marriage is considered an early transition for the woman into the coffin. Die before you die kind of thing, but much more non-consensual and tragic. Most family-arranged marriages are like that for women. In many cases, she doesn't even get to say yes or no.

Women in the first world should always stay grateful.

Child marriage is still legal in America. In some jurisdictions it creates an exception to statutory rape. These marriages are also set up by the parents and facilitate human trafficking to domestic servitude. Don't forget that the first world still isn't innocent of these crimes.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, trenton said:

what if we had a self help junkie simulator?

Too close to home