New realization about good looks.

[Majed]

You want to get mindfucked about appearance ?
Here we go: 
Appearance isn't purely genetic, it's largely in your control.
Think of it in this way: any hot girl, if she becomes obese, stop putting on makeup, dressing well, eye lenses, mascara, perfume, etc... 
She loses her hotness. 
Same with guys, any guy that becomes obese loses his good looks. Now any guy who work on his physique, dresses well, put on perfume, have a nice haircut, etc... becomes automatically better looking. 
Now this is just looks, but attraction isn't just looks as it is a combination of multiple things that you can all develop and work on. 
The bottom line is nobody is stopping you from becoming a hot shot that the opposit sex dreams off if you work on yourself. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Majed

[Majed]

Now you don't have to be perfectly balanced to attract women.
‎If you're top 1% in any criteria that women like, most women will want you. Like if you're top 1% in looks women would want you.
‎If you're top 1% financially women would want you.
‎If you're top 1% in social skills and the art of talking to women, women would want you.
‎You don't have to be the best in all things. You just have to be either well balanced or top 1% in one specific thing and you'll get infinite lays with women.

[Olaf]

@Majed its easier to be top 1% in social skills then in looks as nobody is approaching and talking to woman except some drunk guy in your town who has no idea what he is doing. I would say money is least important as that is only good for logistics, but looks definitely help as that is the first thing she sees.

[LordFall]

46 minutes ago, Olaf said:

@Majed its easier to be top 1% in social skills then in looks as nobody is approaching and talking to woman except some drunk guy in your town who has no idea what he is doing. I would say money is least important as that is only good for logistics, but looks definitely help as that is the first thing she sees.

Money is SO important in game. Just by itself it won't do much but putting that on top of a foundation of game increases your potential results by infinity. 

It's a MASSIVE cope that pick up coaches spread to not worry about money. It's almost impossible to build a high quality dating life if you don't have your personal finances in order.

I had a nice place by the Lake in Toronto and I would sleep with women by asking them to come have drinks by the lake with me and then take them upstairs. It was also 10 mins walk away from clubbing district. I knew so many people that lived 1 hour away from Downtown that never got laid because they had bad logistics.

Living with your parents is one of the top predictors of sexlessness for men. https://ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim

Also being able to take girls out for dinner without worrying about covering their bills or an uber. 

Being able to travel if single but even with a partner is phenomenal.

Being able to invest in your appearance like getting a dating photoshoot, nice barber, good clothes, cologne, etc.

Being able to host and scale events. 

You could take 2 years off of work and only focus on your dating life if you had enough savings or if you had remote income that required not much maintenance to keep flowing. 

You could also very directly use money to date, plenty of 40-60 year old men date hot ass younger women by sugar dating. Some of those arrangements are purely transactional with people not really valuing each other but a lot turn into real relationships and marriage. I think it's a last resort type of move to do that but overall the idea that being in financial abundance unlocks way more beautiful and feminine women than you could get without it is quite true. When I worked at a busy restaurant in Downtown Toronto I remember some hot ass servers dating investment banking dudes that seemed quite dorky but made 150-250k at like 26 years old while the pickup guys I knew pulled chicks that were not as hot because they didn't have the same financial leverage. 

There are way more things I could add. Dating as a whole has always been about proving yourself as a provider before you are able to bring a woman into your life with stability. There are a lot of interesting ideas about basing your game on the lover frame but when I did it myself and see other men do it, it ends in unstable and temporary arrangement because fundamentally you are not a stable man that can provide value long term to one or many women. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall

[Majed]

30 minutes ago, Olaf said:

@Majed its easier to be top 1% in social skills then in looks as nobody is approaching and talking to woman except some drunk guy in your town who has no idea what he is doing. I would say money is least important as that is only good for logistics, but looks definitely help as that is the first thing she sees.

@Olaf Think for yourself, and stop being a pick up fool. 

[Majed]

11 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Money is SO important in game. Just by itself it won't do much but putting that on top of a foundation of game increases your potential results by infinity. 

It's a MASSIVE cope that pick up coaches spread to not worry about money. It's almost impossible to build a high quality dating life if you don't have your personal finances in order.

I had a nice place by the Lake in Toronto and I would just pull by asking girls to come have drinks by the lake with me and then take them upstairs. It was also 10 mins walk away from clubbing district. I knew so many people that lived 1 hour away from Downtown that never got laid because they had bad logistics.

Living with your parents is one of the top predictors of sexlessness for men. https://ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim

Also being able to take girls out for dinner without worrying about covering their bills or an uber. 

Being able to travel if single but even with a partner is phenomenal.

Being able to invest in your appearance like getting a dating photoshoot, nice barber, good clothes, cologne, etc.

Being able to host and scale events. 

You could take 2 years off of work and only focus on your dating life if you had enough savings or if you had remote income that required not much maintenance to keep flowing. 

You could also very directly use money to date, plenty of 40-60 year old men date hot ass younger women by sugar dating. Some of those arrangements are purely transactional with people not really valuing each other but a lot turn into real relationships and marriage. I think it's a last resort type of move to do that but overall the idea that being in financial abundance unlocks way more beautiful and feminine women than the same you without it can get is quite true. 

There are way more things I could add. Dating as a whole has always been about proving yourself as a provider before you are able to bring a woman into your life with stability. There are a lot of interesting ideas about basing your game on the lover frame but when I did it myself and see other men do it, it ends in unstable and temporary arrangement because fundamentally you are not a stable man that can provide value long term to one or many women. 

@LordFall Now that's somebody thinking for himself! @Olaf emulate @LordFall.

[Olaf]

@LordFall it is only good after initial attraction but if you are 40 and look awful without any social skills, you wouldn't even get that far, for logistics it is 100% worth it aswell as for travel and buying courses on it etc. I am talking more about attraction then pulling someone. 

[PenguinPablo]

I think that maybe only in very extreme cases, will someone still be unattractive despite getting a good haircut, fashion, and being in good physical shape. 

[hoodrow trillson]

36 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Money is SO important in game. Just by itself it won't do much but putting that on top of a foundation of game increases your potential results by infinity. 

It's a MASSIVE cope that pick up coaches spread to not worry about money. It's almost impossible to build a high quality dating life if you don't have your personal finances in order.

I had a nice place by the Lake in Toronto and I would sleep with women by asking them to come have drinks by the lake with me and then take them upstairs. It was also 10 mins walk away from clubbing district. I knew so many people that lived 1 hour away from Downtown that never got laid because they had bad logistics.

Living with your parents is one of the top predictors of sexlessness for men. https://ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim

Also being able to take girls out for dinner without worrying about covering their bills or an uber. 

Being able to travel if single but even with a partner is phenomenal.

Being able to invest in your appearance like getting a dating photoshoot, nice barber, good clothes, cologne, etc.

Being able to host and scale events. 

You could take 2 years off of work and only focus on your dating life if you had enough savings or if you had remote income that required not much maintenance to keep flowing. 

You could also very directly use money to date, plenty of 40-60 year old men date hot ass younger women by sugar dating. Some of those arrangements are purely transactional with people not really valuing each other but a lot turn into real relationships and marriage. I think it's a last resort type of move to do that but overall the idea that being in financial abundance unlocks way more beautiful and feminine women than you could get without it is quite true. When I worked at a busy restaurant in Downtown Toronto I remember some hot ass servers dating investment banking dudes that seemed quite dorky but made 150-250k at like 26 years old while the pickup guys I knew pulled chicks that were not as hot because they didn't have the same financial leverage. 

There are way more things I could add. Dating as a whole has always been about proving yourself as a provider before you are able to bring a woman into your life with stability. There are a lot of interesting ideas about basing your game on the lover frame but when I did it myself and see other men do it, it ends in unstable and temporary arrangement because fundamentally you are not a stable man that can provide value long term to one or many women. 

The irony is that this whole post is pure cope, my goodness.

Do not listen to this.  You can be a great provider, have a great place, flash your money and buy her drinks and Ubers and all that other bullshit and she will still fuck that other guy living at home with no job because he’s cool, chill and good looking and he made her feel a certain way.  The access to get between her legs is free for them because they know how to be present and it is effortless.  The women will never bring them up to you, they will hide them.  If you’re using money as leverage, you don’t get to be in that special club lmao.

Meanwhile, you’re out there crunching numbers, dangling toys in their face, scheming up logistics, timing shit etc but it is futile — it’s too sterile and clinical for it to be organic.  It’s transactional as fuck and if you’re cool with being looked at like a goober with money aka being a walking ATM, then have at it.  It’s akin to being a “passport bro”, zero real respect for you but she’ll reap all the benefits.

Be around a group of drunk women long enough and they will tell you the absolute truth of what they like, it’s brutal.  Or they’ll spill the beans on the current guys they WANT to fuck and or be in a relationship with and you’ll figure out soon how low on the totem pole they put $$$ providers at mentally.

[LordFall]

@hoodrow trillson You're arguing against a straw-man. I explicitly stated that money by itself does nothing without a baseline of game, and I called purely transactional dynamics a last resort. In your head, a man is either a broke, charismatic "bad boy" pulling effortlessly, or a rich, sterile "ATM goober" getting cheated on, that sounds more like the cope to me than anything I said. 

Why are you assuming those are the only two options? What happens when a guy has game, stays in shape, and has a nice place, high income, and total freedom and control over his time and logistics? Why wouldn't that help your dating life? 

Money doesn't replace game, it scales it and overall makes your life more fun and exciting. 

Edited 1 hour ago by LordFall

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, Majed said:

@Olaf Think for yourself, and stop being a pick up fool. 

I was nice to you before but as you are being rude I will say it how it is.

You did a lot of approaches, 2700. And you now whine about your lack of results and blame pickup and women. and are butthurt about it.

The reason you failed is that you didn't even attempt to field report properly, invest enough in coaching and you weren't serious enough to sort out logistics.

[Ulax]

@LordFall Todd v says the various of the same things as you re money

[PenguinPablo]

@LordFall The problem is you're not gonna have much time for game when you're struggling to survive. 

Unless you have absolutely no qualms about leeching off of others... But even then you will have to figure out how to sustainably be a parasite on friends or women for living situation--which is time consuming as well and will not be good long term. You will lose trust as well with people.

Of course those guys can still get sex. They have no ethical boundaries. 

But for the average person, you should not neglect the financial dimension of your life. It likely won't be built overnight, but it will give your life the stability and independence necessary to pursue relationships without constantly being preoccupied with survival.

@hoodrow trillson There is a big difference between leading with money (like the guy that flaunts his Rolex and Lamborghini) and not struggling financially. 

Being established financially will take the constant stress of survival off your mind and give YOU more options regarding what you can do in you life.

Edited 1 hour ago by PenguinPablo

[Majed]

1 minute ago, Ulax said:

I was nice to you before but as you are being rude I will say it how it is.

You did a lot of approaches, 2700. And you now whine about your lack of results and blame pickup and women. and are butthurt about it.

The reason you failed is that you didn't even attempt to field report properly, invest enough in coaching and you weren't serious enough to sort out logistics.

@Ulax Bro i made out with 10 girls in one night. Twice! Tf are you talking about. 

Truth is, i sort of know now what to do to get girls, i was too much of a pick up sheep in the past, but now i think i should strive for building rapport first with a girl through text messages or whatever, before asking her out on a date. Because if a girl has invested time and energy into you, she cares about you, she's more likely to go on a date with you. 

Plus text messages are kinda low investment compared to a date, i lost many girls due to this, i could've otherwise kept talking to, and probably seeing and fucking. 

[Majed]

16 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I was nice to you before but as you are being rude I will say it how it is.

You did a lot of approaches, 2700. And you now whine about your lack of results and blame pickup and women. and are butthurt about it.

The reason you failed is that you didn't even attempt to field report properly, invest enough in coaching and you weren't serious enough to sort out logistics.

@Ulax Btw i don't think a man should worry about getting laid before he has certain things in place. Like being decently fit, and having a source of income. 

Like i have to worry about making a living, and being less dependent of my parents, before worrying about banging the hottest girls. There's sort of a hierarchy to this stuff. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It is called glamour.

Been around for eons.

[Olaf]

But honestly, what attracts me at this point isn't only looks anymore, like I wish I could just be a simplistic ape and only fall for someone looks, but for me at this point I have to find some click with someone to even find them attractive. Just a cold hearted empty shell doesn't do anything, like if every response of her to me is like "yeah"or "okay" I just get turned off like, I could find her good looking as fuck, but if you have 0 social skills and are unwilling to invest a bit after I talk 2 mins to you, you are just an empty shell to me, so because I am gaining social skills I even don't want to talk to girls or guys that have no social skills at all, because it just doesn't add anything, it just takes like a leech.

They just take and give 0, that is only attractive to someone who is codependent or something, maybe when I was younger, but now I fall for like someone I have a click with on some level. Sometimes I kinda like more tipsy girls, because atleast they fucking talk hahaha I have seen guys pick up woman who didn't say almost anything, I would have a very hard time to do that, like it just doesn't do it for me, an example are eastern european woman, they tend to be a bit colder and low investment, which just turns me off personally. 

Now if I as a guy has that, imagine how woman have the same with good looking guys who have no personality. Or rich guys who are autistic as hell.

Edited 3 minutes ago by Olaf