Do not approach women

[Thought Art]

@yetineti I feel relaxed, sorry for miscommunication. 
 

Sorry I should have read your response. My brain shirt down a bit as I was focusing on something else and assumed you were disagreeing. I only read the part where you think the whole internet is reading my post and was like, nah… it was beyond what I had room for though right now. I read some other section too Maybe I should have just waited before responding. 

I wasn’t hostile, just affirming my point. 

Sorry for any hard feelings. I’ll communicate better and read more thoroughly before I respond. 

I acknowledge people are socializing less and feeling lonely. I did share that in one of my earlier original post. 
 

I just think, knowing if I talk to someone, warm and with a smile they usually will chat a little bit. Not everyone for sure. It’s useful advice that I don’t think will scare people from talking. 
 

"Hey man, cool shirt! "

"Awh, thanks!"

"sick man, have a good day"

 

You know? That’s a social rep!

Edited 17 hours ago by Thought Art

[cetus]

4 hours ago, Majed said:

@cetus Yeah i agree, i took it too far here, sorry. 

That reply was just an extreme example of what's wrong with many of the replies in this topic area.

As a man who is a widower and had to raise a daughter on his own, I find it quite disturbing how some guys think.

So, to all you out of respect for your mothers, your sisters and the daughter you have or may someday have. May we be better men.

The righteous man walks in his integrity; blessed are his children after him.

[yetineti]

@cetus

I understand where you are coming from more now.

Ironically, I’m usually called the white knight here, so I hope me defending him did not offend you in any which way.

I saw a glimpse of progress in him and really felt although I understood what he meant for a moment, right or wrong.

There is an odd paradox of rhetoric, I notice more and more, where the extreme language gets more and more extreme but the actions never correlate.

It puts people in an odd spot where saying something normal has a surprising effect against what is seemingly very extreme.

 

 

 

 

[yetineti]

@Thought Art

Thanks. I’m surprisingly agreeable for how much I disagree. I’m working on that.

I can also seem needlessly nuanced, so I understand how I seemed that way and appreciate the feedback, really... It’s just an endless stream of consciousness from my end of things…

I kind of wish I could be distracted at this point.

[cetus]

@yetineti Thank you. I respect your willingness to see the bigger picture.

 

[Someone here]

Calling all women  stupid animals is very disturbing thing to say . I hope you are okay.

[LordFall]

His feelings are actually a microcosm of what's happening around the world as old institutions are collapsing and individualism is taking more of a hold. The reason why I think Majed is worth engaging with is because he's genuinely trying to figure this out and sharing his honest thoughts and his situation is quite difficult. He is stuck in between Stage Blue dating and Stage Orange dating and trying to reconcile it. Dating is not a activity based on freedom and love in the Middle East and a lot of other places in the world. It's built around authoritarianism and extreme pressures. Not to say that Islam is evil, it was perhaps necessary to unite humanity in the harsh region that it evolved in but it now seems to mostly comprise of dysfunctional defence and oppression mechanisms. 

This forum is likely the most progressive and perhaps healthy support system he's exposed to so I hope you guys can see how the wish to reduce harm by silencing someone venting his angry thoughts could lead him straight down the route of further radicalization. He is trying to pull himself out of a repressive extremist organization that controls his life and I think we should assist him in that; he is not a just being hostile and trolling. This is the story of his life. 

Just yesterday I was talking to a female coworker from Bangladesh who's been working here in Montreal and her family recently arranged a marriage for her and she's not excited for it as she says she knows what her life will look like after doing it and a lot of her freedoms will be gone. If she refuses it then her direct and extended family will disown her and she will lose all her support systems and community. 

This is the culture Majed grew up in and the one half of my family also is part of and thus why I have particular compassion for those indoctrinated and oppressed by it. My dad won't talk to my brother because he's gay and I haven't told him I'm bisexual and he'd probably kick me out and stop talking to me as well for a time or perhaps ever. If I went back home to my home country and this leaked out without protective measures in place, I could myself face kidnapping and violence at my own family's hands. Ideology is a very powerful force and trying to pull yourself out is much harder than it seems from an outside perspective.

Notice a lot of parents of Muslim children discourage them from getting jobs when they reach 16 and a lot of them live at home until they're 30 if not longer. This is also why building independent value and leverage is both the way to attract women but to fundamentally free yourself from other human imposing their version of reality on us. There is a relationship between freedom and love that I can't quite verbalize yet but seems key to this conundrum. 

Let's of course encourage people to focus on love and authentic intimate connections with others but let's not underestimate the forces that are working against that. To beat our enemy we have to deeply understand it. The enemy here being the lack of consciousness and the resulting dysfunction that afflict much of humanity. The reason I linked it to war is that this is the end of result of us not being able to understand each other. You see it today in all kinds of ways both in gender wars but in the literal wars that are starting to happen more frequently. 

Edited 5 hours ago by LordFall

[Majed]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

My dad won't talk to my brother because he's gay and I haven't told him I'm bisexual and he'd probably kick me out and stop talking to me as well for a time or perhaps ever.

@LordFall That's fucked up. 

I told my parents i am bisexual. And i think in their religious minds, it is more of a sin than anything else. 

I think a lot of misunderstanding happens on this issue because of different paradigms talking past each others. In the religious mind, homosexuality isn't seen as an identity a person possesses but more of a sin, a temptation a human can be confronted to. That's why in their mind no one is gay. It's more of a sin and temptation than a sexual orientation that defines a person's identity. 

A lot of religious people would tell you it's unnatural. I think they're coming at it from an essentialist viewpoint, as though men and women are ontologically fixed categories, and not changeable or malleable. That's why they don't believe in transgenderism as well and think it's an obscenity of nature. 

Anyways it's a different paradigms that has its philosophical merits. We have to understand their viewpoint deeply instead of arguing. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Majed

[LordFall]

Yeah it’s hard to wrap your mind around, even western societies are more comfortable showing violence than sex on TV. 

The religions are specifically caught trying to demonize world and convince us that if we don’t follow their principles our souls will be tainted but in the process they seem to kill a lot of unity and love part of spirituality and replace it with judgement, shame, intolerance and overall a lot of stuff that overall sounds like devilry to me. 
 

I told my coworker yesterday too that I was bisexual to give the thought that she can choose her life and not just go along with what her family chose for her but she just said “You know in our religion that’s the biggest sin right?” I didn’t really wanna start a religious debate at work but I wanted to ask what about murder and rape and actual crime? What is it about sexual autonomy that’s so fear inducing to ideology? I guess it cuts to the core of authoritarian control mechanisms, if you can control a beings reproduction then you got it by the balls literally. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

No amount of explanation is going to mean we will tolerate women being equated to chickens and deserving violence.