Anyone been following Russell brand’s rape trial?

[Joseph Maynor]

52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I doubt that. Being a groupie isn't flattering. I doubt a woman would brag about being pumped and dumbed by a celebrity.

Dating a celebrity as an equal is very different from screwing groupies.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The woman Russell raped speaks out:

 

Great source share. Cheers. Listened while training.

This is the 16 year old girl who was previously opting to remaining anonymous. She brings up some good points. That it is insane to think Russell was convinced with no evidence (she goes into the investigation and parts police had to play gathering evidence from her). That rape myths are still perpetuated (only brute force rape counts). 

Correct me if I am wrong but I think this myth was used in the trial also? 

Fuck man. He forcebly opened her mouth with his hands, held it open and spat into it. Then closed it until she swallowed. Infantalised her. And more... It sounds really twisted. Power trip comes to mind.

Edited 9 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Fuck man. He forcebly opened her mouth with his hands, held it open and spat into it. Then closed it until she swallowed. Infantalised her. It sounds really twisted. Power trip comes to mind.

Yup, he is a proper pervert.

He seems to like shagging in public toilets. What kind of freak wants to have sex in a public toilet?

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

Without reviewing the evidence myself I can't judge.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yup, he is a proper pervert.

He seems to like shagging in public toilets. What kind of freak wants to have sex in a public toilet?

Solid exhibitionist streak. 

Possible he needed to keep upping the ante to get the same rush and thrill from sex, by engaging in more and more extreme behavior. People who engage in compulsive sex to the extent he has often follow this pattern.

[Leo Gura]

Having sex in a public toilet in daylight in a corporate office is caveman levels of development.

[Cubbage]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Possible he needed to keep upping the ante to get the same rush and thrill from sex, by engaging in more and more extreme behavior. People who engage in compulsive sex to the extent he has often follow this pattern.

I know a recovered nymphomaniac and he went through the same process but he eventually burnt that lifestyle and addiction out and now regrets having done so cause it's now affecting his desire to be monogamous and long term with someone cause he's always carrying that with him.

[Joseph Maynor]

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You could be wise. But you could be wise.

I kind of agree with this in part.  You can know and judge in theory or actually have a direct experience to draw from.

[Seed]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Having sex in a public toilet in daylight in a corporate office is caveman levels of development.

He has been very open about how much he hated his past behavior. And post 2014 had worked extensively on himself to get himself to a better place. Which he did do. Not easily done for someone so deeply dysfunctional.

he worked privately with Ekart Tolle for years as he so desperately didn’t want to be that guy anymore and stepped away from the fame and spotlight. 
 

It’s no excuse but this a person who grew up with a sexually perverted father who was barely there and then took him to Thailand at 16 to see prostitutes. He was sexually abused twice as a kid. His mother repeatedly got cancer which he blamed himself for. And then he became a heroin addict.

it took him until the age of 40 ish to actually get a grip on himself. And to stop projecting and re inacting his own shame, trauma and pain on to others. 
 

at least he worked on himself and stopped the behavior. For someone at such a low level of development to get to where he’s got to is pretty remarkable. 
 

however, it doesn’t excuse. 
 

it is a shame for all the victims, his beloved family and of course himself. Such a sad story of a life on so many levels. 
 

He is such a talent but with a light that that bright; he’s going to cast a huge shadow. And that’s what we’re all now seeing. 

[Seed]

@Leo Gura watch the Netflix doc!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Seed said:

He has been very open about how much he hated his past behavior. And post 2014 had worked extensively on himself to get himself to a better place. Which he did do. Not easily done for someone so deeply dysfunctional.

he worked privately with Ekart Tolle for years as he so desperately didn’t want to be that guy anymore and stepped away from the fame and spotlight. 
 

It’s no excuse but this a person who grew up with a sexually perverted father who was barely there and then took him to Thailand at 16 to see prostitutes. He was sexually abused twice as a kid. His mother repeatedly got cancer which he blamed himself for. And then he became a heroin addict.

it took him until the age of 40 ish to actually get a grip on himself. And to stop projecting and re inacting his own shame, trauma and pain on to others. 
 

at least he worked on himself and stopped the behavior. For someone at such a low level of development to get to where he’s got to is pretty remarkable. 
 

however, it doesn’t excuse. 
 

it is a shame for all the victims, his beloved family and of course himself. Such a sad story of a life on so many levels. 
 

He is such a talent but with a light that that bright; he’s going to cast a huge shadow. And that’s what we’re all now seeing. 

Has he admitted guilt and apologised?

[Seed]

@Natasha Tori Maru he doesn’t admit non consensual sex but he clearly doesn’t remember / doesn’t understand what consensual / non consensual sex was at that time. 

he does admit hurting women, disrespecting women, exploiting women, objectifying women and controlling women. And he does acknowledge and apologise for that saying ‘if that means I got or jail, then I off I go…’ asking him to make a formal public apology is a bit much! He needs time to process the harm he’s caused. 

Not once has anyone challenged this with him which would be very helpful. But perhaps he will be working through this whilst having further therapy in jail 

[Seed]

The good news is that he’s been risk assessed and sent to  the safest most comfortable jail in the country. He’s access to mediation and yoga classes, a separate play / family area for when the kids visit and he can potentially be allowed days out with them. He’s can join creative classes and choir. There’s two football pitches. A gym. He’s got a phone and tv in his cell he can use until 11pm. 
 

he’ll make a big diffence to the prison community and hopefully help reform other convicts. 
 

HEs currently classed as C cat but in a couple of years he can apply for D cat which is a semi open prison.

he’s not an evil monster.

He’s caused harm but he’s human and he’s doing his best. 

Hopefully justice is served for his victims and they are now able to heal and move forward. 
 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Seed it's not enough. 

He needs to formally apologise to these women. If he cannot acknowledge, genuinely, that he understands his actions were wrong, and earnestly apologise - he isn't repentant and he isnt taking responsibility. He needs to publically do this.

Alcohol and intoxication won't make a man rape, sexually abuse or demean a woman. I know plenty of men who get fucked up. Beer doesn't make them rape. Doesn't make them abuse. Drugs don't make them do these things. He made choices. Wrong ones. Now he takes responsibility.

You say he needs time to process. Come to terms. Did he extend that grace to the women he violated? Did they get time to come to terms with being anally raped and stealthed? No. He just did what he wanted. Now he is getting what he wants, taken away. Through incarceration.

Edited 41 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[RickyFitts]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The woman Russell raped speaks out:

 

To clarify, this isn't the woman that Brand was found guilty of raping (I believe he was acquitted of orally raping this woman, though of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do it).

Edit: Actually that's not right, she wasn't one of the complainants in his trial.

Edited 36 minutes ago by RickyFitts
Factual error

[Lyubov]

42 minutes ago, Seed said:

The good news is that he’s been risk assessed and sent to  the safest most comfortable jail in the country. He’s access to mediation and yoga classes, a separate play / family area for when the kids visit and he can potentially be allowed days out with them. He’s can join creative classes and choir. There’s two football pitches. A gym. He’s got a phone and tv in his cell he can use until 11pm. 
 

he’ll make a big diffence to the prison community and hopefully help reform other convicts. 
 

HEs currently classed as C cat but in a couple of years he can apply for D cat which is a semi open prison.

he’s not an evil monster.

He’s caused harm but he’s human and he’s doing his best. 

Hopefully justice is served for his victims and they are now able to heal and move forward. 
 

 

Yeah I wouldn't classify him as a monster. Obviously what he did is wrong. I do have compassion and understanding for him. He is or was an ego maniac at one point. I really don't know where I sit with his sentencing. I'm not a judge and I really don't know if we have a better alternative to what we have now. Obviously the prison system and sentencing needs an overhaul and we need rehabilitation first and the most non-bias judges but this is the best we got in society.