Anyone been following Russell brand’s rape trial?

[Leo Gura]

You can't confess your sins when there is not enough truth in your mind to see that they are sins.

[Jodistrict]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't confess your sins when there is not enough truth in your mind to see that they are sins.

Saint Francis of Assisi was a playboy and started to transform after a year in prison (an underground dungeon).  He spent the next two years navigating a metanoia (a transformative change of heart).   So, it is possible but rare. Will there be a Saint Russell of Youtube?

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Will there be a Saint Russell of Youtube?

He's already been doing that. I'd bet he will do even more of it in prison.

The problem is that he has a high risk of being attacked or even killed in prison. It will be very hard for him.

[Leo Gura]

I have a very politically incorrect question for women:

Would you rather be raped or spend 10 years in prison? Which is worse?

[Jodistrict]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He's already been doing that. I'd bet he will do even more of it in prison.

The problem is that he has a high risk of being attacked or even killed in prison. It will be very hard for him.

So far he is just faking it.  Another grift.  But there is a small possibility that it becomes real.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

So far he is just faking it.

How do you know?

Why are you so confident?

[Jodistrict]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

How do you know?

Why are you so confident?

Because he hasn't "confessed his sins". Or in other language he hasn't told the truth.  He can't be on a spiritual path and simultaneously continue to gaslight his victims.   If he fully confessess than everything changes.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Because he hasn't "confessed his sins". Or in other language he hasn't told the truth.  He can't be on a spiritual path and simultaneously continue to gaslight his victims.   If he fully confessess than everything changes.

Dude, his life is literally on the line. He is still kidding himself.

You have unreasonable expectations for very difficult things.

Don't expect a man to tell you the truth when you have a gun pointed at his head.

Just because he's made decent progress does not mean he's ready to suicide himself for you.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have a very politically incorrect question for women:

Would you rather be raped or spend 10 years in prison? Which is worse?

Shit this is hard. Might have to come back to you. It heavily depends on what is meant by "rape". 

I might have a more solid answer if you define the scope of "rape" in this hypothetical.

It is a cost weight between domains: 1) bodily autonomy 2) freedom 3) psychological trauma 4) physical safety 5) relationships 6) recovery 7) lost time.

Those are the big ones for me.

[Jodistrict]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, his life is literally on the line. He is still kidding himself.

You have unreasonable expectations for very difficult things.

Don't expect a man to tell you the truth when you have a gun pointed at his head.

Just because he's made decent progress does not mean he's ready to suicide himself for you.

He is placing his faith in the world.  But what security does the world give him or us?  His lawyers allowed him to testify in court dressed like a pimp.  His lawyers aren’t going to protect him.  For them it is just a business.   The security of the world is all fake.  If he confessed, he could start healing and he would have the protection of Christ consciousness.

Edited 2 hours ago by Jodistrict

[integral]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It is a cost weight between domains: 1) bodily autonomy 2) freedom 3) psychological trauma 4) physical safety 5) relationships 6) recovery 7) lost time.

I think this question depends if this applies.

At my age i would not experience any negative effects from it, it would be like nothing happend.

A doctor has already done more damage then any rape could. 

[JoshB]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Shit this is hard. Might have to come back to you. It heavily depends on what is meant by "rape". 

I might have a more solid answer if you define the scope of "rape" in this hypothetical.

It is a cost weight between domains: 1) bodily autonomy 2) freedom 3) psychological trauma 4) physical safety 5) relationships 6) recovery 7) lost time.

Those are the big ones for me.

@Leo Gura there are people raped in prison serving 10 years. 

Thats who I want to hear the answer from. 

[JoshB]

1 minute ago, integral said:

I think this question depends if this applies.

At my age i would not experience any negative effects from it, it would be like nothing happend.

A doctor has already done more damage then any rape could. 

This sounds almost consensual 

Dont let Tyrone hear that 

Edited 2 hours ago by JoshB

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Shit this is hard. Might have to come back to you. It heavily depends on what is meant by "rape". 

I might have a more solid answer if you define the scope of "rape" in this hypothetical.

It is a cost weight between domains: 1) bodily autonomy 2) freedom 3) psychological trauma 4) physical safety 5) relationships 6) recovery 7) lost time.

Those are the big ones for me.

I do not mean rape by a stranger in a dark alley.

I mean a guy who you find attractive has non-consensual sex with you. Like Russell's case.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

He is placing his faith in the world.  But what security does the world give him or us?  His lawyers allowed him to testify in court dressed like a pimp.  His lawyers aren’t going to protect him.  For them it is just a business.   The security of the world is all fake.  If he confessed, he could start healing and he would have the protection of Christ consciousness.

Do not overlook relativity.

He may genuinely feel he is innocent. The mind is playing tricks on him. The Christianity makes those tricks worse, not better.

In his mind he does not see it as rape.

Relativity.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I do not mean rape by a stranger in a dark alley.

I mean a guy who find attractive rapes you. Like Russell's case.

I would select rape. Taking into consideration I have a lot more resilience and internal stability than most people. I have a higher capacity withstanding psychological adversity.

It is still a difficult hypothetical to answer.

Similar to the bear/man one that is popular on social media. The bear-versus-man debate is interesting because it exposes how people evaluate risk under uncertainty.

[Leo Gura]

@Natasha Tori Maru Thanks for an honest answer.

[Psychonaut]

I haven't been following this thread. But this is sad to see for me. I thought Russel Brand was cool at some point.... But oh well. Case Closed I guess.

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Edited 1 hour ago by Psychonaut

[JoshB]

@Natasha Tori Maru @Leo Gura 

What if there was consensual matters after the fact. How would that play into the equation?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

@Natasha Tori Maru Thanks for an honest answer.

Pleasure.

In before someone uses it to analyse my psychological state, form a nice explanation for my psychology, and then force their frame of interpretation onto any statement I make from here on in