Life is the meaning of life.

[Joseph Maynor]

This is all just this or that.

[integral]

27 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

No creator, it just happened.

Life is life, it doesn't require understanding or meaning.

Meaning, purpose and value are all human concepts. 

Believing that all of this just happened feels pretty absurd because this is all very, very, very specific and highly intelligent.

When existence happened, it was the most valuable, most meaningful, and purposeful thing that could possibly have happened at that moment.

It was the only thing that "happened".

and it "happened", Happening is a miracle.

How can this intelligent specific miracle be anything other then the most meaningful thing that could be happening?

Is anything more meaningful happening right this moment? No, this is it.

It's the most valuable thing that there is, It's absolute, so it's absolute value.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by integral

[cetus]

48 minutes ago, integral said:

Is anything more meaningful happening right this moment? No, this is it.

" This" (life) is only the tip of the iceberg. The only place where meaning exists.

Under "This" it's - Let it Fly without any meaning what-so-ever.

What comes to the surface each can deal with it in their own way by giving it meaning, ect.

Edited 12 hours ago by cetus

[LastThursday]

14 hours ago, integral said:

I think your trying to separate meaning and existence, but that doesn't make sense because existence is the most meaningful thing that could ever happen.

Existence and meaning co-arise ontologically. But there is ontological meaning and relative everyday meaning making. And these are different.

It's fine I understand what you mean. I'm just arguing for the sake of it. But for the sake of argument if existence is everything without exception, then of course it has meaning, because everything has everything in it. That's the issue with A is B argumentation, once you make A identical to B the argument is meaningless, because to argue something you have to have distinction so you can compare two things. Anyway pedant mode off.

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

No creator, it just happened.

Life is life, it doesn't require understanding or meaning.

Meaning, purpose and value are all human concepts. 

Meaning and purpose creates your very perception. To say they are "human concepts" like they're something you can just disregard and live without is a bit mistaken. They are more like human mechanisms. Meaning and purpose was required for you to write your sentence.

[LordFall]

8 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

No creator, it just happened.

Life is life, it doesn't require understanding or meaning.

Meaning, purpose and value are all human concepts. 

I think that's an atheistic view of the world and a bit shallow.

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

God doesn't want, God is. Wanting implies election, then it's relative. Being is not an election, it's inevitable, it's the synonym of unlimited.

God doesn't need to love itself because existence itself and so called absolute love are not different. There is no graduation, it's total.

The only point is that we are closed to it due out human structure by default 

God could be many other ways if it was a superior mode of living. For example the Gnostics believe in a cruel God that made reality to test humanity. I don't think that's how the universe is fundamentally structured but it could be. 

[Nemra]

17 hours ago, cetus said:

Bingo!

🫶

[Nemra]

What is the primary reason programmers create software applications?

Edited 27 minutes ago by Nemra