What would make you commit murder?

[Elliott]

Just now, Ulax said:

The job story I recommend as a useful story. Forget the religious part of it

How so? I don't see any utility

[trenton]

2 hours ago, Jannes said:

@trenton What keeps you with your family? What resources do you have to get out of this situation? 

I'm currently working on this. I'm waiting to speak with an academic advisor so I can live on a college campus instead and work on a bachelor's degree until I transfer overseas to another country where I plan on completing a master's on social sciences. If I can improve social systems, then I can prevent people from appearing in situations like these.

I struggle with holding down a job though because of depression and autism. The jobs are not suited to me and I struggle to reach autism informed employers. I would rather kill myself than work a dead end job forever. I think it would be insane to not kill myself in that scenario seeing the meaninglessness of my suffering in life. This is a scenario I am aiming to avoid.

People disagree with me, but it is probably because you don't have my brain type. The life I would be asked to surrender to is intolerable to me.

[Ulax]

Just now, Elliott said:

How so? I don't see any utility

Peterson says the story of job will essentially happen to us all. Tragedy, evil, unfairness, the mob coming for us, people then blaming us for our situation even when it is not on us. But then you still can decide not to be corrupted by the understandable bitterness, and callings of vengeance and aim up.

In my own life, I was flying high at 18. Best university in the world. Then it all started to fall apart. Many people turned on me, including my family. Bad thing after bad thing occured. Mental illness got deeper and deeper. The worse things got, the more people shamed me, believing i must be causing my own suffering, and was doing wrong. Ended up dropping out, estranged and on welfare, still getting blamed and attacked. I will never forget being mocked by my welfare officer for where i was in life. My vengeance and anger desires grew very large. It was all I thought about for years. Many dark callings rose up in me but this story of job helped me through. It made me feel very seen and it spoke deeply to me. Helped me stay honourable. Even tho I am not religious. I see religion as a childish-fantasy. Anyway, I ended up passing through that era of my life into a positive trajectory but I know how powerful that story can be when it comes to dealing with the darker callings of the human soul.

[trenton]

@Olaf I think you are making incorrect assumptions about me coming from stage red.

I'm not a stranger to compassion. In fact I am working on building compassion further by integrating stage red rather than demonizing it. It is easy to judge and moralize against stage red, but I am looking for something deeper. I am attempting to integrate this homicidal rage rather than demonize it or act on it. I'm wise enough to see that I would not accept the consequences from my position.

The perspective I have outlined is explicitly anti consequentialist. I would only do such a thing if I accepted the consequences were worth it. This is how crime works generally. We try to deter it with consequences, but in practice people often feel that it is still worth it to commit murder regardless. Consequentialist arguments would therefore be rejected by a murderer saying things like the following.

"I don't give a shit if I go to prison! I will see you in hell when I murder you bitch!'

If you accept such consequences, then a person would feel justified in committing murder.

[Jannes]

6 minutes ago, trenton said:

I'm currently working on this. I'm waiting to speak with an academic advisor so I can live on a college campus instead and work on a bachelor's degree until I transfer overseas to another country where I plan on completing a master's on social sciences. If I can improve social systems, then I can prevent people from appearing in situations like these.

I struggle with holding down a job though because of depression and autism. The jobs are not suited to me and I struggle to reach autism informed employers. I would rather kill myself than work a dead end job forever. I think it would be insane to not kill myself in that scenario seeing the meaninglessness of my suffering in life. This is a scenario I am aiming to avoid.

People disagree with me, but it is probably because you don't have my brain type. The life I would be asked to surrender to is intolerable to me.

Sounds like a good LP.

For your jobbing situation: What kind of jobs have you worked in? How is depression and autism holding you back? Do you think there is anything you can do to improve your situation?