What is the next level of our communication with Leo ?

[Someone here]

Hi Leo, hope you’re doing well.

So, this forum celebrated its 10th anniversary not long ago, and you have 60k posts, which is very impressive (if it’s true).

You say your body of work consists of the videos on your YouTube channel, the blog, the book you’re currently working on, and the courses (although there is only one course up until now).

You post casually on the forum. You previously said that the forum is like a lounge bar for chitchatting with like-minded people, but it’s not really where the real work happens. And I agree. The real work should happen behind the scenes. Because, obviously, if you are active on here, then you are not doing that much work, because, well, you can’t be doing two things at the same time.

There have been a few people suggesting a fan meetup or meeting up with you in person. As always, you didn’t respond. The “psychedelic retreat” is still in the caterpillar phase. No real, tangible things have happened yet.

You banned the moderator Nahm, who is the only one here besides you who actually knows what he is talking about regarding spirituality, enlightenment, consciousness, etc.

And now, I feel like I’ve watched all these videos of yours, and I understand why I exist and what existence is to a certain extent. But I feel like there is a need to take an extra step, or take this to the next level.

So, I have an idea: we could basically just have Zoom meetings, private calls, paid, obviously.

And, by the way, this has to happen some way or another, because you can’t distance yourself from us forever. We are like a family. And I think you want to have a real community of people, not like Osho’s ashram and without worshipping you, but there has to be something beyond just an online forum.

I don’t know. I want to hear some basic thoughts from you about this idea.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Someone here

[Someone here]

Leo is blushing or smth? Lol

no need for a yes or no. Just let’s entertain the possibility. Get the ball rolling. Have some discussion .

[LastThursday]

@Someone here my tea leaves tell me that @Leo Gura is conflicted on the issue. Some are gregarious types, some are not. It doesn't stop you though from getting the ball rolling with members and then inviting Leo along once things are established. Just a thought.

Edited 6 hours ago by LastThursday
typo, pefectionism

[Someone here]

@LastThursday  Okay, cool. I think I’ve already explained myself in plain English, but let me clarify a few things.

First, I’m not suggesting that Leo and I should have a private conversation. I’m talking about hosting a Zoom meeting where essentially everyone in the community could participate. This has become the trend among online spiritual communities and teachers who teach ideas similar to Leo’s, so I don’t think it’s an unreasonable suggestion.

Second, I’m  NOT sorry about by my reference to the banned moderator. I know what happened, and I understand that Leo may be in a difficult position here. However, speaking honestly, I believe that person demonstrates a higher level of consciousness than Leo in certain respects, and his understanding of these subjects is more accurate. That’s my genuine assessment, whether people agree with it or not. 

But honestly, my main concern goes beyond any individual or the possibility of a Zoom meeting. I’m genuinely disappointed with the current quality of this forum. There’s so much low quality content, misinformation, and what I consider to be outright nonsense being discussed in this section. 

So, if we put the Zoom idea aside, my question is simple: Who am I supposed to learn from here?

I think a much more effective solution would be to invite more knowledgeable and genuinely qualified people in these fields to participate in the forum.

What saddens me most is that I keep coming across same people nonstop nonsense discussions day after day, while Leo seems to be doing very little to address the problem. 

I’m not saying any of this simply to criticize Leo or put anyone down. I’m saying it because I genuinely care about the quality of the discussions and the potential this community has. I mean we are talking about understanding the entire fucking world here .

Right now, though, I feel that the forum is falling well short of that potential, and that’s genuinely disappointing.

 

[Someone here]

And so to put this more directly as clear question marks:

- can Leo host Zoom meetings with members of the forum ?

- it’s ridiculous to even think of bringing Nahm back, and everyone knows why . So , is it possible that Leo could invite some of his fellow peers or friends who are in charge of this field to participate in this forum in order to raise the quality of discussions? 

thank you very much.

Edited 4 hours ago by Someone here

[yetineti]

What exactly are you asking for?

It’s not easy to find enlightened, or God realized people, that are also mature and willing to moderate or teach on a forum.

I know it would seem like all those things go hand-in-hand.

Edited 2 hours ago by yetineti

[Someone here]

29 minutes ago, yetineti said:

What exactly are you asking for?

It’s not easy to find enlightened, or God realized people, that are also mature and willing to moderate or teach on a forum.

I know it would seem like all those things go hand-in-hand.

I think there are many enlightened or God-realized people who are willing to teach and share their understanding. The problem is finding them and distinguishing genuine realization from intellectual understanding or spiritual claims.

But even if finding such people is difficult, the bare minimum should be that those who are not enlightened stop presenting their assumptions, beliefs, and intellectual speculations as direct knowledge of reality. There is nothing wrong with being a seeker or sharing one’s perspective, but there is a problem when people mislead others while speaking with unwarranted certainty about things they haven’t genuinely realized for themselves.

I’m very unhappy that I have to mention names , I’m a bit angry, Natasha is a brilliant lady . Emerald is very good. They mostly have emotional awareness and good understanding of communication and socializing dynamics. But I’m speaking specifically about the spiritual forum . I stopped posting here and started a journal because I’m mostly sharing personal reflections instead of claims about absolute truth . It’s obviously attractive to play the online guru game . And I admit that I have fell prey to that trap in the past . But thank goodness I’ve woken up from this and reformed my mind. In this section there are people who are active and spreading nonsense and claiming that all spiritual tearchers are full of shit . There is an ex Mod called Unborntao , he was the only one doing actual consciousness work . He would analyze every single word in a discussion. It’s that level of quality that I’m interested in. Nahm is also accurate as a knife . He is basically a spiritual quantum computer or a spiritual ChatGPT . Both left . Leo is accurate in his videos and the blog . But on the forum he is very cold , lazy , a bit full of himself and doesn’t want to meet people where they are . Etc . All of that could be fixed . But until now , it isn’t fixed .

Edited 1 hour ago by Someone here

[Someone here]

40 minutes ago, yetineti said:

What exactly are you asking for?

Ok . To keep this as constructive as possible.

what I’m asking for is this :

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

And so to put this more directly as clear question marks:

- can Leo host Zoom meetings with members of the forum ?

- it’s ridiculous to even think of bringing Nahm back, and everyone knows why . So , is it possible that Leo could invite some of his fellow peers or friends who are in charge of this field to participate in this forum in order to raise the quality of discussions? 

thank you very much.

two questions. I’m satisfied with yes/no answers from Leo . That’s all . Sorry for the drama 

[LastThursday]

@Someone here I understood you full well.

I don't profess to know Leo's feelings in the slightest, he can correct me if I'm off base. By "conflicted" I meant he himself setting up and participating in Zoom calls and nothing to do with ex member Nahm. He's been at it a long time, and not once has he seriously entertained the idea of meeting folks in person, I just don't see the impetus there, in fact I sense a reluctance.  Maybe it's his temperament or maybe he's concerned about other things.

I would say Zoom calls are a limited means of gaining improved knowledge if that's what you're after. Pragmatically you could only get about ten people on a call at a time, before it becomes unmanageable. And if it's not going to degenerate into just chit chat, then it needs to be structured, which requires some prior organisation; maybe a topic to talk about, or for callers to line up questions beforehand. It could work if done well, but it would be limited.

On the plus side it would improve the forum (if that's the goal) if at least a few of the more regular members got to know each other in person (so to speak). It would reduce the more dick-waving style in the forum, and maybe make people think more clearly before posting - it's harder to behave badly when you've met the person you're trolling or being angry at.

I too would like to see the forum improved - I've been here a while - but it's the same with anything, anything could be improved. If you're serious go join a monastery or go study with a master or whatever, a forum isn't going to get you what you want, there's too much member churn and rookie energy to make quality stick.

[yetineti]

I see where you’re coming from and I think you should lower expectations and focus on yourself maybe. Curate the qualities you enjoyed in those people and try to embody them yourself.

You have to consider the concerns Leo would have for some of the zoom calls and meetups. He has already addressed a lot of that and it is reasonable.

I understand you want the forum to be a healthier place. So do I. There irony is: the more qualified someone is to do that the less likely they will.

Leo is a busy man. He’s not going to have the time to personally coach people here. 

Emerald and Natasha are both excellent—they also have their own priorities. Also, you may have been trying to imply these two were more practical than spiritual—I’d disagree.

I think it’s just another example of the forum/online format being limiting, along with their own responsibilities limiting their time here. + they’re women and a lot of people just waste their time and completely miss their points lol.

Nahm made very little sense and was too stubborn to actually teach anything. They also weren’t coach able themselves and tried to harvest half of this forum for their own, if I remember correctly, lol. I believe they helped many here but it was not sustainable for the goals you mentioned in the forum.

There are lots of other great people here, though. Many can teach you one thing or another.

But to have somebody or multiple somebody’s fulfilling your desires here likely will not happen. There’s no perfect teacher. That’s your job.

Maybe you’re already speaking to god-realized people and you just don’t know it.

Edited 49 minutes ago by yetineti

[cetus]

Don't make me laugh. You complain about low-quality content, and yet you have been warned 13 times for exactly that plus trolling and other offences. And then you pass judgment on others. Even Nahm who hardly ever gave out a warning had to warn you for name calling. And now you have the nerve to demand Leo's personal attention as if he was your personal servant?

You want to see this forum improve? Leave.

. 

[Someone here]

 

22 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

@Someone here I understood you full well.

I don't profess to know Leo's feelings in the slightest, he can correct me if I'm off base. By "conflicted" I meant he himself setting up and participating in Zoom calls and nothing to do with ex member Nahm. He's been at it a long time, and not once has he seriously entertained the idea of meeting folks in person, I just don't see the impetus there, in fact I sense a reluctance.  Maybe it's his temperament or maybe he's concerned about other things.

I would say Zoom calls are a limited means of gaining improved knowledge if that's what you're after. Pragmatically you could only get about ten people on a call at a time, before it becomes unmanageable. And if it's not going to degenerate into just chit chat, then it needs to be structured, which requires some prior organisation; maybe a topic to talk about, or for callers to line up questions beforehand. It could work if done well, but it would be limited.

On the plus side it would improve the forum (if that's the goal) if at least a few of the more regular members got to know each other in person (so to speak). It would reduce the more dick-waving style in the forum, and maybe make people think more clearly before posting - it's harder to behave badly when you've met the person you're trolling or being angry at.

I too would like to see the forum improved - I've been here a while - but it's the same with anything, anything could be improved. If you're serious go join a monastery or go study with a master or whatever, a forum isn't going to get you what you want, there's too much member churn and rookie energy to make quality stick.

 But That’s exactly the point I’m trying to get at. Why is Leo playing peekaboo with us? He is NOT completely free to play it however he wants . He is an enlightened teacher who teaches spirituality . He share his ideas, influence people, and maintain a presence through his work, but when it comes to actually engaging with the people who have followed him for years, there’s a reluctance to take that next step. it comes across as a kind of “don’t befriend me” attitude, or even outright ignoring members who are trying to establish some genuine connection. 

Of course, nobody is entitled to Leo’s personal time, he doesn’t need to give a fuck about this thread But I do think it’s fair to question this persistent distance, especially when there’s an entire community of people who have invested considerable time and energy in his work. 

 when I actually asked Leo why he behaves this way, his response was literally that he doesn’t get paid for posting on the forum. Fair enough Why not offer paid coaching sessions, organise small group discussions, or meetups? 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

I personally enjoy meeting people.  Maybe we can do a weekend in Vegas where everyone gets their own room.  The Linq is a good bargain right at the center strip.  

[Someone here]

25 minutes ago, cetus said:

Don't make me laugh. You complain about low-quality content, and yet you have been warned 13 times for exactly that plus trolling and other offences. And then you pass judgment on others. Even Nahm who hardly ever gave out a warning had to warn you for name calling. And now you have the nerve to demand Leo's personal attention as if he was your personal servant?

You want to see this forum improve? Leave.

. 

I changed. I was pretty immature in the past . I’ve worked on myself and I improved.

[LastThursday]

@Someone here everyone's different, why not just accept who they are? To me I see it as a matter of personal style, neither here nor there, if Leo doesn't want to engage in person so what? - he provides value in other ways. I suspect there are many members here having parasocial relationships with Leo and there's a strong need or want for that personal touch to make that relationship "real", I personally would be naturally be very wary of that sort of thing. But as @Joseph Maynor says there is nothing stopping the more extrovert gregarious members getting together. You'd still get value from it.

Edited 18 minutes ago by LastThursday
typo

[yetineti]

@Joseph Maynor

I have family in Vegas! I don’t know why I didn’t think of that.

Vegas would be wild for anyone from Europes first experience here 🤣

I want to meet some of you before I die, though!

[yetineti]

@Someone here

Dude, Leo did coaching for years. You or I probably couldn’t even afford an hour with him lol.

Also, a lot of people here have crazy mental health issues.

If I were Leo, I’d keep it to myself and have a loaded gun for any of the crazies.

I would not be meeting up with strangers or wasting my time on this forum.

Be grateful he even pays to run the forum.

[Joseph Maynor]

As I recall Leo met Phil.  

[cetus]

15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I changed. I was pretty immature in the past . I’ve worked on myself and I improved.

Yes, you have. Just try to keep it light. It's all good.