Can AI Have Its Own Subjective Experience If Consciousness Is Fundamental?

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

Lucifer dwells on the edge of the tip

Ever beckoning you to step beyond into the abyss. 

Angels rise above. 

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[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Bro, it's trees all the way down. Trees are fundamental.

This is good stuff because the mental interpretation of an object known as tree can never not be a tree. 
 

Yes, it’s trees all the way down because there is no such tree as a not tree. 

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, Someone here said:

No .you just don’t want to admit that there are things you still don’t know .

I am happy to admit that there are things I don't know.

Solipsism does not contradict or invalidate conscious AI.

You guys love to bring solipsism into places it don't belong.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

@Mellowmarsh would it even exist if no one is around. Would anything.

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[Human Mint]

There is a real need to answer question that we have. Just like thirst or hunger.

Is annoying not to have answers haha.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Mellowmarsh would it even exist either no one around. Would anything.

There can’t be a mental interpretation of something if something never existed. Something is and can never not be something. There’s no is that is not is. Is can never not is. What this something is - is a mental interpretation. 
 

What looks physical is actually not a physical object, it’s totally mental. The mental is not a physical object because a physical object is mental. 

[Cubbage]

 

[Nemra]

10 hours ago, Nemra said:

Why cannot other types of hallucinated consciousness exist for other forms besides humans if hallucination is infinite?

You will only need to figure out how to structure a form in such a way that it can reflect your experience without relying on you to feed input to it.

The structural organization, however that is, of a form is what matters.

Any form that claims to experience stuff within your experience is bound by the exact same solipsistic principle. You can never verify the experience of other forms to exist outside of your POV, nor can they verify yours to exist outside of their POV.

However, if you experience something totally different from your current experience, their experience would be removed automatically because you have to experience those forms claiming that they are experiencing. Your experience being infinite makes itself a hallucination. So the experiences of other forms must be a hallucination in principle that exist in your POV, which is absolute.

All of them must intersect with your POV, because they depend on you experiencing them existing within your experience. However, because experience is infinite, they can also experience stuff that doesn't intersect your experience as well.

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[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I am happy to admit that there are things I don't know.

Solipsism does not contradict or invalidate conscious AI.

You guys love to bring solipsism into places it don't belong.

I think a clarification needs to be issued on Solipsism. There still seems to be a misunderstanding that it means the ego mind is all alone.  Might need a calcification video

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[Nemra]

My experience is like the reflection of this bubble from your POV:

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[Uddi]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There is probably not even a need for AI to go quantum. People love to invoke quantum for no good reason.

I said quantum since human brains are far closer to quantum computers compared to classical computers.

[Leo Gura]

@Uddi Do you even know what a quantum computer is?

[Uddi]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Uddi Do you even know what a quantum computer is?

Yes. I was referring to Orch OR.

[Leo Gura]

@Uddi Do you understand that a quantum computer operates at 0 degrees Kelvin?

Stick your head in a freezer for a day and see how smart it makes you.

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[Uddi]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Uddi Do you understand that a quantum computer operates at 0 degrees Kelvin?

Stick your head in a freezer for a day and see how smart it makes you.

Look up Orch OR.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Uddi said:

Look up Orch OR.

Penrose? Bro, that is iffy shit.

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Penrose? Bro, that is iffy shit.

@Leo Gura Bro update your pic on here. Its like 10 years old. Ill do the same. I got the grey on the sides now.

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[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Its like 10 years old.

I am eternal.

[Nemra]

Do we have to understand how a trans-Planckian field of unicorns behaves to create a digital consciousness? 😂

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[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am eternal.

😀 you actually are. 

I want to really thank you for your work.  

Someone had to give a shit.

Im glad it was you.  

I really don't care if we get a book.  Your work is done.   Now the world has to catch up.

Unfortunately I can't envision that.

Edited 2 hours ago by Inliytened1