contradictions in spiritual new age teachings that don't get addressed

[Olaf]

@Leo Gura okay interesting, I will think about it

[Olaf]

39 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The biggest mistake you guys make is thinking that God controls things. No. God just is how it is.

I think it would be interesting if you made a video about this specific topic, because you said many of us think this way and it is actually the main reason I no longer listen to spiritual gurus, this specific thing, if it would be clairified more I would be more open to listening to spiritual gurus again. 

[Carl-Richard]

You should be happy that spiritual teachers can get money for doing what they do and don't have to spend their time doing other things to get money.

Edited 7 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Olaf This is your homework 

 

[Atb210201]

2 hours ago, Olaf said:

like Mooiji

Now this you have to be careful with because there is at least a video proof of Mooji doing an extraordinary thing, an old video which you have to doubt about the fakeness of it because it's old.

If you want it I will send it to you.

I've also sent it here on the forum before.

Edited 8 hours ago by Atb210201

[Wilhelm44]

8 hours ago, Olaf said:

tarot readers: I can read your future, but I can't make money or win a lottery

Not all New Age is BS. Some tarot readers do well financially.

Tarot is more about giving you a new perspective on what's happening in your life.

My wife's a tarot reader and she blows people away with her readings.

Likewise, some energy healers are actually really powerful.

But yeah, these manifestation coaches, literally telling people on Instagram that you 

can manifest millions or even billions out of thin air, they should be locked up.

 

 

 

[Wilhelm44]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The biggest mistake you guys make is thinking that God controls things. No. God just is how it is.

I've heard Jim Newman say this as well. But then he goes a step further and says that everything is actually completely random. Like anarchy in a way, everything is happening at once. Do you agree ?

[Leo Gura]

Random?

No. Everything is ordered by God's Intelligence.

The universe IS God's Intelligence crystalized.

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Random?

No. Everything is ordered by God's Intelligence.

The universe IS God's Intelligence crystalized.

Yes, that's my sense to.

So if everything is ordered by God's intelligence, why can we not say that God is in control.

Like I notice that thoughts arise by themselves. Is God not doing that ?

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

why can we not say that God is in control.

Good question.

The key point is that God does not micromanage the universe because the universe already IS God's Will.

If you baked a perfect cake, and then I came to you and said, "But why don't you use your control to change the cake to something better?", you would say, "The cake is already exactly as I wanted it."

Since God is Perfect, there is nothing else left for God to do. Which looks to humans like God has no control.

The imperfections in the universe are human biases.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Good question.

The key point is that God does not micromanage the universe because the universe already IS God's Will.

If you baked a perfect cake, and then I came to you and said, "But why don't you use your control to change the cake to something better?", you would say, "The cake is already exactly as I wanted it."

Since God is Perfect, there is nothing else left for God to do. Which looks to humans like God has no control.

The imperfections in the universe are human biases.

So it's like a divine program running by itself ?

Edited 6 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

So it's like a divine program running by itself ?

God is Perfection unfolding. Yes.

God is like a perfect video game, but in a perfect video game a goblin can still bite you. A goblin biting you is not an imperfection in the game, since if you were immune to everything, there would be no game. But humans foolishly believe that the existence of goblins is a bug.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

God is Perfection unfolding. Yes.

Thank you.

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God is like a perfect video game, but in a perfect video game a goblin can still bite you. A goblin biting you is not an imperfection in the game, since if you were immune to everything, there would be no game.

Aha, so there is a perfect intelligence to this, but is there really like a script to it, like a divine destiny as such. My sense is that maybe that's what Jim meant by random. That it's unscripted in some way ?

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Aha, so there is a perfect intelligence to this, but is there really like a script to it, like a divine destiny as such. My sense is that maybe that's what Jim meant by random. That it's unscripted in some way ?

It is inherently Mysterious because it is Infinite. Even God doesn't quite know how it will unfold, but it is Perfect anyway.

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is inherently Mysterious because it is Infinite. Even God doesn't quite know how it will unfold, but it is Perfect anyway.

Wow. This does seem to imply the need for, or at least the possibility of, divine intervention at times, or am I wrong ?

Edited 6 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

the need for, or at least the possibility of, divine intervention at times

Why?

I don't see how that follows.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Why?

I don't see how that follows.

Okay i get it, thank you,  so whatever happens it is still perfection. And ultimately the whole universe cant go off the rails so to speak, because it is God.

[Leo Gura]

@Wilhelm44 What would "off the rails" even mean? There's no way to define that.

Is the Holocaust "off the rails"?

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Wilhelm44]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Wilhelm44 What would "off the rails" even mean? There's no way to define that.

Is the Holocaust "off the rails"?

I hear you, I just mean it's probably not possible for the whole universe to become some hellish nightmare, even though it would still be perfect. It would be too much of a swing in one direction. ie not a true reflection of the totality of God.