Changing our Minds about Nonduality

[Hyperion]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Preferences are your prerogative. 

How very generous of you, Your Mellowness. 

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

How very generous of you, Your Mellowness. 

I’m very generous. I have it in abundance, you’re welcome. 😄

[Mellowmarsh]

Yes, I’m mellow ness. My name is Mel short for Melanie and I am low maintenance. You will find me lurking around the bog of the eternal stench. 

[Wilhelm44]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

bog of the eternal stench. 

Is that the name of a perfume ?

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Is that the name of a perfume ?

I don’t think so, it’s somewhere in the movie LABYRINTH staring David Bowie. 

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

I don’t think so, it’s somewhere in the movie LABYRINTH staring David Bowie. 

I was joking, no one gets my jokes 

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

I was joking, no one gets my jokes 

I got it. 😂 But I just wanted to plug the movie 😉

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I got it. 😂 But I just wanted to plug the movie 😉

Just saw the trailer, haven't actually seen that one, thanks 

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

Just saw the trailer, haven't actually seen that one, thanks 

🤩 I enjoyed it. 

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

🤩 I enjoyed it. 

David Bowie with a whole bunch of muppets, looks like fun 

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

"it requires a moment of absolute surrender for the Totality to reveal itself" - did this happen on 5meo ?

Never, it happens sober after doing 5 meo and many other psychedelics for 2 years. When you are on 5 men there is always something twisted, it's a kind of violence that forces resistance violently, then others barriers more subtle arises. 

5meo is an act of surrender but it's the ego that violently order to surrender using a substance, then it never will work, at least as I see it, but will prepare your structure to the real dissolution 

Edited 21 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Never, it happens sober after doing 5 meo and many other psychedelics for 2 years. When you are on 5 men there is always something twisted, it's a kind of violence that forces resistance violently, then others barriers more subtle arises. 

5meo is an act of surrender but it's the ego that violently order to surrender using a substance, then it never will work, at least as I see it, but will prepare your structure to the real dissolution 

And this surrender that happens sober, how would you describe it, what is it that surrenders ?

[Sugarcoat]

11 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Jesus must have a great sense of humor, everyone always making fun of him 

He wouldn't be offended at least

[Mellowmarsh]

[Mellowmarsh]

[Breakingthewall]

22 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Jesus is next to be "exposed" 😂😂😂 😂😂

Of course, the Jesus figure was a construct. The real Jesus of Nazareth was an apocalyptic prophet. He preached an imminent apocalypse, one that would occur within his own generation, and claimed that only a specific Jewish tribe would be saved, to the exclusion of everyone else.

He preached giving one's possessions to others and living like a hippie who loves everyone, because the apocalypse was just around the corner and nothing else mattered.

Later, his message evolved; after four centuries, the Roman Empire adopted Christianity, incorporating ideas that had been completely adapted to the needs of that society and era. So Jesus is not Jesus, is just a mith. 

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

And this surrender that happens sober, how would you describe it, what is it that surrenders ?

8 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

 

After a rather long process, spanning some years of focusing on breaking down the barriers separating you from yourself, you reach a point where it is easy to empty your mind completely, leaving only the structure of "I am": subject and object, the duality of observer and experience. At first, dismantling this seems impossible, you cannot do it, but if you hold your ground within that structured void, the structure dissolves; the "I am" vanishes, and the structure is gone. Reality loses its limits, edges, and definition; it becomes liquid, fluid.

Once you can reach this state with relative ease, your experience takes on this quality to some extent, yet this is not the revelation. Then, at a certain moment while meditating, reality suddenly opens up. It is no longer merely fluid and borderless; it is the Totality, and its power, total power, is revealed to you. It feels as though your brain is frying and your hair is standing on end from the electricity. Your heart opens, and your ego is truly humbled. You stand before the Totality and are one with it; tears stream down your face, the prodigal son has returned after living in isolation in a dry desert. It is the light of the Totality, and in that moment, you would submit to any torture, for it is always the Totality.

You are no longer a seeker, but a servant asking for a mission. Your vector shifts from inward to outward. You are not a well needing to be filled, but a gushing spring. You have everything, because you are that,  the Totality manifesting as form. And you understand everything because it's very simple: you are, period. And in this fact the absolute glory of the unlimited that is is always present. It's unlimited, and it's life is total. Nothing lacks, it's everything. You are exactly that, this is not an idea or a realization, is a openness of something that was closed. 

Edited 13 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Wilhelm44]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

After a rather long process, spanning some years of focusing on breaking down the barriers separating you from yourself, you reach a point where it is easy to empty your mind completely, leaving only the structure of "I am": subject and object, the duality of observer and experience. At first, dismantling this seems impossible, you cannot do it, but if you hold your ground within that structured void, the structure dissolves; the "I am" vanishes, and the structure is gone. Reality loses its limits, edges, and definition; it becomes liquid, fluid.

Once you can reach this state with relative ease, your experience takes on this quality to some extent, yet this is not the revelation. Then, at a certain moment while meditating, reality suddenly opens up. It is no longer merely fluid and borderless; it is the Totality, and its power, total power, is revealed to you. It feels as though your brain is frying and your hair is standing on end from the electricity. Your heart opens, and your ego is truly humbled. You stand before the Totality and are one with it; tears stream down your face, the prodigal son has returned after living in isolation in a dry desert. It is the light of the Totality, and in that moment, you would submit to any torture, for it is always the Totality.

You are no longer a seeker, but a servant asking for a mission. Your vector shifts from inward to outward. You are not a well needing to be filled, but a gushing spring. You have everything, because you are that,  the Totality manifesting as form. And you understand everything because it's very simple: you are, period. And in this fact the absolute glory of the unlimited that is is always present. It's unlimited, and it's life is total. Nothing lacks, it's everything. You are exactly that, this is not an idea or a realization, is a openness of something that was closed. 

Beautiful, thank you for sharing.

[Carl-Richard]

"Talking about an experience is a model". Wow, groundbreaking.

I mean I can say that, but I keep repeating this a lot myself, so it's perhaps not the worst video to post here.

[VeganAwake]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

After a rather long process, spanning some years of focusing on breaking down the barriers separating you from yourself, you reach a point where it is easy to empty your mind completely, leaving only the structure of "I am": subject and object, the duality of observer and experience. At first, dismantling this seems impossible, you cannot do it, but if you hold your ground within that structured void, the structure dissolves; the "I am" vanishes, and the structure is gone. Reality loses its limits, edges, and definition; it becomes liquid, fluid.

Once you can reach this state with relative ease, your experience takes on this quality to some extent, yet this is not the revelation. Then, at a certain moment while meditating, reality suddenly opens up. It is no longer merely fluid and borderless; it is the Totality, and its power, total power, is revealed to you. It feels as though your brain is frying and your hair is standing on end from the electricity. Your heart opens, and your ego is truly humbled. You stand before the Totality and are one with it; tears stream down your face, the prodigal son has returned after living in isolation in a dry desert. It is the light of the Totality, and in that moment, you would submit to any torture, for it is always the Totality.

You are no longer a seeker, but a servant asking for a mission. Your vector shifts from inward to outward. You are not a well needing to be filled, but a gushing spring. You have everything, because you are that,  the Totality manifesting as form. And you understand everything because it's very simple: you are, period. And in this fact the absolute glory of the unlimited that is is always present. It's unlimited, and it's life is total. Nothing lacks, it's everything. You are exactly that, this is not an idea or a realization, is a openness of something that was closed. 

It's not a process, it's a recognition.

Nothing has to happen.

It's not a state, it's already everything.

The mind doesn't need to empty.

The structure doesn't have to disolve.

Its ok to feel like a well needing to be filled.

Seeking can still occur or not.

You don't need to be a gushing spring, but that can seemingly happen also.

Nobody figures out reality. 

Its not a special exclusive state or an understanding about everything. 

How could everything be understood?

It's everything exactly as it already is.

It's unconditional.

Nothing needs happen but anything can happen.

It's both this and that simultaneously.

Enlightenment is already THIS.

It's not a narrow moment.

It's THIS right here.