Feminism has gone ape shit

[Jacob Morres]

@AION i honestly don't even see feminism anymore in mainstream media. Most of the feminist talking points dont go viral anymore. 

All i see is this heritage american, deport hispanic people crap now lol

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[AION]

3 hours ago, Jacob Morres said:

@AION i honestly don't even see feminism anymore in mainstream media. Most of the feminist talking points dont go viral anymore. 

All i see is this heritage american, deport hispanic people crap now lol

Men and women are equal is all dimensions of society so it doesn´t have an use anymore. The only feminists that still exists are the women who are disgruntled in love and dating. And use feminism to cope.

 

6 hours ago, Ulax said:

True. Its a reason why I'm very selective in the women I date.

That is why I only take women serious who are in their early 20´ies. Most hot women date above their leagea and then get pumped and dumped. And develop this overcompensation against men that the regular guy has to put up with. Babe is like 30 and has 10 x the demands of a 20 year old cutie lol.

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[something_else]

14 hours ago, AION said:

You dumb asses don’t understand that those 19 year old are going to be the new generation 

I’ve literally never met a single woman like this in my life. They exist, but they’re rare and content online has a tendency to find the extremes and publicise them.

Also, think about all the dumb shit you did or believed when you were a teenager. Young people have immature beliefs and most grow out of them.

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[Ulax]

1 minute ago, something_else said:

I’ve literally never met a single woman like this in my life. They exist, but they’re rare and content online has a tendency to find the extremes and publicise them.

I came across lots of them at university

[something_else]

56 minutes ago, AION said:

Men and women are equal is all dimensions of society so it doesn´t have a use anymore.

I mean… kind of. The vast majority of positions power are still held by men. Women still need to put up with constant threats of sexual violence. I’ve heard countless stories from women about their drinks being spiked. Many older men in positions of power still have very antiquated views of women which can severely impact their career prospects.

Inequality is not as overt as it once was, but it’s still present.

[something_else]

6 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I came across lots of them at university

Fair. Like I said, they do exist and university concentrates people leaning left.

Certainly in my last 5 years of adulthood since uni I can’t think of a single woman I’ve met who I’d classify as an extreme feminist to this degree, or a man hater. I’ve heard women say “I hate men” on occasion but they still had many male friends and dated men.

Generally most of the active feminist women I’ve met were fighting for or arguing for very reasonable causes. Things like making the world safer for women and reducing sexual violence. Helping women navigate male dominated workplaces. Fighting for women’s rights in countries where they are still extremely marginalised. None of that is extreme at all

[Rafael Thundercat]

16 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The whatever podcast is absolute trash. I would never lower myself to watching it ever again. Poor quality content 

Thanks for warning, I was about to open 

[AION]

@something_else

 Where do you live? They won't show their color immediately. Even on this forum there are a few feminist monstrosities  

Yes it is caused by pain. But what I notice in their story and in your story is the lack of agency in these women.

Only personal responsibility will solve the issue.

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[Rafael Thundercat]

16 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

100% in particular this podcast very, very deliberately cherry pick these women as easy takedowns.

More, I would investigate the hiden intention of this podcast. Is always this guy surrounded by woman that sorry to say looks like girls from OnlyFan plataform. I may be wrong. The only way to know would to have contact with the person resposable for the Cast recruiting. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 hours ago, AION said:

That is why I only take women serious who are in their early 20´ies. Most hot women date above their leagea and then get pumped and dumped. And develop this overcompensation against men that the regular guy has to put up with. Babe is like 30 and has 10 x the demands of a 20 year old cutie lol.

Dated a 19 year old recently and has gone fast and bad. There are development stages and if you think a 19, 20 will have maturity to deal with the complexity of relationship you may be ready to have A LOT of patience for the Learning Curve. Even if you are the same age as them. 

[something_else]

10 minutes ago, AION said:

@something_else

 Where do you live? They won't show their color immediately. Even on this forum there are a few feminist monstrosities  

Yes it is caused by pain. But what I notice in their story and in your story is the lack of agency in these women.

Only personal responsibility will solve the issue.

I live in the UK.

And personal responsibility is not the solution to a societal problem. It can be a way of managing a societal problem as an individual.

Ask yourself why women with these views come to exist in the first place? Extreme views arise out of pain and suffering under a system that treats you unfairly. Better to attempt to fix the system than expect everybody to take personal responsibility over the problems the system causes them. Yes, the latter is necessary too, but the former is the root solution to the problem.

I also don’t see anything I said that points towards a lack of agency. If anything the opposite. The irony is that the conservative viewpoint you argue for asserts that women are not meant to have agency. Feminism is a result of women fighting for more agency because many parts of our society still actively try to strip them of it.

[Raze]

20 hours ago, LordFall said:

Can you explain why you are bothered by this? Technically if you are a rational and competent person each person that is not rational on earth helps your survival strategy. 

Also you can build a business strategy from that, every irrational person alive is a customer that's probably willing to buy a solution for their problem if you can empathize with them and understand their problem better than they can.

If you are irrational yourself or lack entrepreneurial spirit then I can see why it's simply frustrating to see. 

Let’s see how you feel about that if you go in for a surgery and the doctor isn’t rational or competent 

[AION]

33 minutes ago, something_else said:

I live in the UK.

And personal responsibility is not the solution to a societal problem. It can be a way of managing a societal problem as an individual.

Ask yourself why women with these views come to exist in the first place? Extreme views arise out of pain and suffering under a system that treats you unfairly. Better to attempt to fix the system than expect everybody to take personal responsibility over the problems the system causes them. Yes, the latter is necessary too, but the former is the root solution to the problem.

I also don’t see anything I said that points towards a lack of agency. If anything the opposite. The irony is that the conservative viewpoint you argue for asserts that women are not meant to have agency. Feminism is a result of women fighting for more agency because many parts of our society still actively try to strip them of it.

You live in UK? Lmao how are you not seeing the rampant feminism everywhere. I almost can’t take you serious after this. 

So what agency should women get that they don’t have right now? First answer this. 
 

And secondly. In the same way women have their societal problems men have it too but they don’t go around gas lighting women. Perhaps incels do. They are male version of the female cat women. But most men don’t. They take agency and solve their own problems. 

 

[something_else]

9 minutes ago, AION said:

So what agency should women get that they don’t have right now? First answer this. 

I can answer this directly, and I will, but you misunderstood the point I made. I said there are parts of society that try to strip women of their agency which is subtly different.

I’m not saying there are things women don’t have the legal right to do that they should, so much as there are social aspects of society which prevent women from being able to exert their agency as much as they would like to.

for example:

• High risk of harassment in public spaces
• High risk of experiencing sexual violence 
• Workplace discrimination around things like childbirth
• Unequal expectations surrounding childcare
• Unequal expectations surrounding housework
• Social policing of female sexuality
• Restricted reproductive freedom e.g. lack of abortion rights or social/societal pressure faced for getting one
• Pressure from family to marry settle down and have kids early
• Pressure from family/society to go into certain careers and avoid others 
• Medical staff like doctors often treating women’s own described experiences as less authoritative or invalid
• Strong social reputational penalties for things like ageing, career ambition, physical appearance, approach to relationships

Not all of these apply to all women, but they are all examples of social pressures that still exist which strip women of agency. Being legally equal doesn’t mean there aren’t still social inequalities.

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And secondly. In the same way women have their societal problems men have it too but they don’t go around gas lighting women. Perhaps incels do. They are male version of the female cat women. But most men don’t. They take agency and solve their own problems. 

Of course men face issues too and that should not be swept under the rug. It’s not an either/or thing. Both deserve attention at a societal level. Incels are a direct result of the societal issues men face being swept under the rug.

But men do not face issues that are quite so universal and socially ingrained in same way women do. Most of the social issues women face come from centuries of cultural power imbalance in favour of men. It is not a situation where if women just exerted more agency they would be able to overcome these issues. In some cases maybe, but the point is that at a societal/social level agency is stripped from women in a way that it isn’t with men. That is the root problem modern feminism tries to address.

[AION]

@something_else I think societal attention should be divided between men and women problems but currently all attention goes to women problems. Either way I’m not going to change this anyway. I guess the point I was trying to make is that a lot of problems that women have are self made. They are subconsciously attracted to dark triad men. Especially hot women. So they are basically training men to be hostile.   Sometimes I’m dating these women with violent exes and every time I’m nice I’m not getting any. Whenever I’m dominant and kind of reckless I get what I want. So I don’t buy your feminist perspective that women were victims of the ages and now they seek reckoning. No for thousands and thousands of years they picked men with these traits. And now they have a choice to make a better pick and they still choose the same men so that only shows it was not a forced option but their own chosen behavior. 

[Schizophonia]

14 minutes ago, AION said:

@something_else I think societal attention should be divided between men and women problems but currently all attention goes to women problems. Either way I’m not going to change this anyway. I guess the point I was trying to make is that a lot of problems that women have are self made. They are subconsciously attracted to dark triad men. Especially hot women. So they are basically training men to be hostile.   Sometimes I’m dating these women with violent exes and every time I’m nice I’m not getting any. Whenever I’m dominant and kind of reckless I get what I want. So I don’t buy your feminist perspective that women were victims of the ages and now they seek reckoning. No for thousands and thousands of years they picked men with these traits. And now they have a choice to make a better pick and they still choose the same men so that only shows it was not a forced option but their own chosen behavior. 

My cousins are pretty and only date nice guys; I’ve been turned down by girls myself for having an energy that was too rough/not gentle enough and they were pretty.

But I live in a small, rather provincial town; the more you are in competitive environments like big cities, the business world, nightclubs and so on the more you encounter men who love walk on other's mug, and automatically women who love them; in a way, they are "their men."

You can even see it in sports: the most popular sport in the provinces here is rugby and the average rugby player is a nice guy. In big cities on the other hand it’s soccer and soccer players have a reputation for being more scumbags

You said you were going to hit on women at nightclubs which doesn't make sense; if you're supposedly a nice guy that’s not the right crowd.

Leo is the same way he’s weird. He’s nice and grounded yet he goes and settles in the most "Orange Stage" city possible in the United States, and went out to do pickup aka the most "Orange" activity possible lol only to end up complaining about women and people in general.

 

[LordFall]

5 hours ago, AION said:

That is why I only take women serious who are in their early 20´ies. Most hot women date above their leagea and then get pumped and dumped. And develop this overcompensation against men that the regular guy has to put up with. Babe is like 30 and has 10 x the demands of a 20 year old cutie lol.

Do you have a lot to offer? Can you elaborate on demands? If you got your shit together and are a cool guy it shouldn't be hard to meet the demands of women in their 30s

49 minutes ago, AION said:

@something_else I think societal attention should be divided between men and women problems but currently all attention goes to women problems. Either way I’m not going to change this anyway. I guess the point I was trying to make is that a lot of problems that women have are self made. They are subconsciously attracted to dark triad men. Especially hot women. So they are basically training men to be hostile.   Sometimes I’m dating these women with violent exes and every time I’m nice I’m not getting any. Whenever I’m dominant and kind of reckless I get what I want. So I don’t buy your feminist perspective that women were victims of the ages and now they seek reckoning. No for thousands and thousands of years they picked men with these traits. And now they have a choice to make a better pick and they still choose the same men so that only shows it was not a forced option but their own chosen behavior. 

I think they pick men who are competent and rise to the top of the tribe. Some of those have dark triad traits but not all. Some men are conflict avoidant and some others thrive under pressure, a man who can handle more pressure than most will be more attractive to women without needing to be toxic for example. 

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Let’s see how you feel about that if you go in for a surgery and the doctor isn’t rational or competent 

Well it's on you to be able to attract attractive women who are also rational and competent then right? 

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[AION]

@LordFall dark triad traits and competence are not the same thing though. I mean women in their 30’ies want commitment very fast. Use sex as a leverage very often. That kind of demands.  About dark triad traits. It has to do with the women’s unconscious animus. They want to tame their dad unconsciously. So it is not about competence but whether or not you remind them of their dad. 

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