Why I Think Magic Is Real

[Xonas Pitfall]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

@Xonas Pitfall

I am not deny that God can imagine a 20 inch dick. Of course it can. That's what a horse has. I am denying that your ego will cause God to give a human a horse dick.

1. Assume everything is ultimately the same underlying reality, God/infinity.
2. The ego ordinarily has limitations on what can be experienced or recognized.
3. Yet the ego can apparently become substantially altered through awakening, meditation, psychedelics, contemplation, etc.
4. Therefore, some apparently rigid limitation within the system can become malleable.
5. So why couldn't other aspects of the apparent material structure also become malleable to some degree?

If the answer is "the ego isn't in control," that doesn't seem to explain why the ego's constraints can change while material constraints cannot.

That's the contradiction I'm asking to resolve.

I’m not arguing that the ego can simply make God give someone a horse dick. I’m asking why there is supposedly such a hard boundary between what can become malleable at the level of ego and what can become malleable at the material level.

If everything is ultimately the same substrate, God/infinity, then we already have an example of something that appears highly constrained and finite, namely the ego, becoming substantially more malleable through awakening, psychedelics, meditation, contemplation, etc.

So the question is: what is the reason that this malleability can occur at the level of the ego but cannot extend, even partially, to the material level?

[AtmanIsBrahman]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you can manifest a $100 bill, you can also manifest changing the gravity on Earth to lighter so humans can flap their arms and fly. Why not do that instead?

I think you're treating this too flippantly, kind of like how a materialist would treat consciousness work. 
 

Even if everything is your imagination, it might be more difficult to imagine certain things than others for your ego. Manifestation mainly has to do with making small things in reality go your way, such as your career, your physical appearance, romantic partners, etc. I don't know how much of it is legitimate, but it really just has to be tested with direct experience, otherwise you're being close minded.

The money thing in practice would be something like this:

Affirm something like "I easily attract money, I always have enough" (or listen to subliminals). Do that for a couple weeks with full belief. Then things start moving your way - a job offer, a raise, randomly getting free stuff, a bank or tax error in your favor, finding a new gig. 

Edited 7 hours ago by AtmanIsBrahman

[PenguinPablo]

@Leo Gura Threshold of believability. It is out of range. @AtmanIsBrahman Bashar talks about and even says not to even attempt it if your belief system wont make wiggle room for it. Move onto to something smaller. Also there is times when your mind is more receptive to "crazy" or big ideas such as through inspiration. It is state dependent.

Also perhaps I cannot manifest a horse dick BUT I can manifest a mouse cock!

They're called micro penises.

Edited 6 hours ago by PenguinPablo

[AtmanIsBrahman]

This is a good primer on the law of assumption, one of the key laws people use to manifest. 
 

 

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

that doesn't seem to explain why the ego's constraints can change while material constraints cannot.

Everything can change. But just because it can doesn't mean it will.

The Earth's gravity can change. But you are not going to change it.

How is this not clear?

A billion dollars can magically appear in your bank account tomorrow. But you will not make that happen.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[BlessedLion]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Xonas Pitfall

I am not denying that God can hallucinate a 20 inch dick. Of course it can. That's what a horse has. I am denying that your ego will cause God to give a human a horse dick.

God is hallucinating stuff completely out of your control. That's what physics is.

If you can manifest a $100 bill, you can also manifest changing the gravity on Earth to lighter so humans can flap their arms and fly. Why not do that instead?

if people could actually just manifest what their egos wanted it would ruin the whole game of reality on a foundational level

[PenguinPablo]

There's case studies in the Neville Goddard community for example where a person for example needed $5,000 and someone out of nowhere feels compelled to give them the money they needed. And some people especially those in the inner circle of Neville claim to be able to produce these sort of things regularly.

I don't know if this is like some form of telepathy or if it should be considered unethical since you are influencing others without their permission.

Edited 6 hours ago by PenguinPablo

[Leo Gura]

33 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

if people could actually just manifest what their egos wanted it would ruin the whole game of reality on a foundational level

It can't work that way because most people have such sick and negative thoughts that if manifestation was true, you would have literal demons running around raping people.

You should thank God that your sick thoughts do not manifest.

If thoughts manifest, why hasn't Iran genocided Israel by now with their thoughts? "Death to Israel" and all that. Does Iran not hate Israel enough? That's your excuse?

Why haven't Arab terrorists genocided Israel with their manifesting? If anyone could manifest a thought, surely it would be Arab terrorists. And why invest in weapons of war if you can just kill your enemies with your manifestation?

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[PenguinPablo]

@Leo Gura a course of miracles says that all the evil sh!t in the world, difficult people in your life, is your mind projected outward... 

[AtmanIsBrahman]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It can't work that way because most people have such sick and negative thoughts that if manifestation was true, you would have literal demons running around raping people.

You should thank God that your sick thoughts do not manifest.

But maybe it only works if you're in a positive vibration? Plus most people assume manifestation isn't possible, so it makes sense that not everyone would be doing it. 
Also, this assumes we are in a shared reality.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

@Leo Gura a course of miracles says that all the evil sh!t in the world, difficult people in your life, is your mind projected outward... 

Yes, it is, but much less directly.

Hitler wasn't killing Jews with his Jedi mind. He has to employ people to build gas chambers. Which is the work that manifestors want to use manifesting to skip.

My point is, if you want to kill people, you need to do actual labor to make it happen.

5 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

But maybe it only works if you're in a positive vibration?

But all those manifesting people tell you that negative vibration manifests too. It can't just go one way, since good and bad are relative.

Manifesting a billion dollars into your bank account is technically theft. You say it's good, but from society's POV it is evil. How would God decide which of your thoughts is good or evil in order to block the evil ones from manifesting? Obviously that can't work.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AtmanIsBrahman]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But all those manifesting people tell you that negative vibration manifests too. It can't just go one way, since good and bad are relative.

Ok, you're right on this.

But my other point... What happened to solipsism? Manifestors are some of the only people who actually believe in solipsism (at least many of them). Maybe reality is just you're reality and you're imagining everything, including other people and demons. If you decide there are no demons, there will be none, and if you decide there are then there will be. There is no interference between manifestations of different people because everything is your hallucination. Isn't this your exact metaphysical view?

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

If you decide there are no demons, there will be none, and if you decide there are then there will be.

Again, as I said in my first reply to this thread, you're conflating "you" with "You".

Your life is a Cosmic Hallucination. The Cosmos is in charge. It decides 99% of what you see, not your ego.

Just look around your room right now. How much of this room's appearance can you change without physical interaction? Almost nothing. Can you change the color of your ceiling with your ego's mind? No. Can the Cosmos create a pink ceiling? Of course. But "you" cannot. Not without buying some paint cans.

The point is, the point of manifestation is to brainwash yourself to go to the store and buy paint cans. Not to be lazy and sleep and wake up to a painted ceiling. Manifestors are trying to avoid painting. Successful people learn how to paint.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

I feel like you guys are overthinking this.

[Leo Gura]

@Joseph Maynor Careful, or we will collectively force-choke you

[PolyPeter]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

the point of manifestation is to brainwash yourself to go to the store and buy paint cans.

this sentence is gold

pink gold

[AtmanIsBrahman]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Again, as I said in my first reply to this thread, you're conflating "you" with "You".

Your life is a Cosmic Hallucination. The Cosmos is in charge. It decides 99% of what you see, not your ego.

Just look around your room right now. How much of this room's appearance can you change without physical interaction? Almost nothing. Can you change the color of your ceiling with your ego's mind? No. Can the Cosmos create a pink ceiling? Of course. But "you" cannot. Not without buying some paint cans.

Maybe I misunderstood your notion of solipsism then.

I don't see how the ego-you could truly be separate from the cosmic You. The You that's imagining everything has to be the same as the ego-you because of unity, right?

 

[Joseph Maynor]

You are manifesting everything right now.  

[Leo Gura]

@AtmanIsBrahman This is for you:

 

[Joseph Maynor]

Once of the worst things is coming to a presupposed belief that you can't manifest something.  This is a kind of intellectual mental illness.