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[Ulax]

24 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Sorry but genocide looks completely different. What I think is that this government may be trying to make Gaza uninhabitable in order to make Gazans leave. And this is FAR more supported by evidences from the ground and from government members statements, interviews, and apparent way of thinking.

Bro that is ethnic cleansing 💀

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Ulax said:

Bro that is ethnic cleansing 💀

This is indeed what part of the coalition parties want, especially the far right parties and part of Likud supporters.

Edited yesterday at 01:55 PM by Nivsch

[Wilhelm44]

5 hours ago, Nivsch said:

This is indeed what part of the coalition parties want, especially the far right parties and part of Likud supporters.

I can see now that ethnic cleansing might be the more appropriate term. 

(Why do you think though that the international association for genocide studies deemed this to be a genocide ? Do they have some anti Israel bias ?)

[Willy Phallicus]

Sure wish there was a country out there that didnt have its borders established through war and mass death so they could lecture israel so we dont have these rocks being flung around the glass house.

[Salvijus]

13 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Sure wish there was a country out there that didnt have its borders established through war and mass death so they could lecture israel

You don't need to be sinless to fight for what is right. Horrible things happen when there aren't enough people to stand up for what is right. Hopefully more and more people begin to awaken so that less and less evil roams the planet. 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Salvijus

[Apparition of Jack]

It’s clearly not a genocide. I’m highly critical of Israel but what’s going on is that a bunch of semi-literate young people saw the horrors of war for the first time on TikTok and concluded that any death/suffering caused by it literally had to be the Holocaust 2.0 and not just the brutal realities of a modern conflict (that Hamas started btw.) 

Notice how no one refers to the Iraq War as genocide, despite hundreds of thousands more civilians being killed or displaced in that conflict? It’s because all the “pro-Palestinian activists” of today probably weren’t even born yet and couldn’t feasibly understand horrors have already happened thousands of times in living memory, just that none of them were committed by a Jewish administration.

 

EDIT: It is still ethnic cleansing though.

Edited 10 hours ago by Apparition of Jack

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Notice how no one refers to the Iraq War as genocide, despite hundreds of thousands more civilians being killed or displaced in that conflict?

It's not about the numbers. It's about the intent that defines what's a genocide and what's not. 

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

It’s clearly not a genocide. I’m highly critical of Israel but what’s going on is that a bunch of semi-literate young people saw the horrors of war for the first time on TikTok and concluded that any death/suffering caused by it literally had to be the Holocaust 2.0 and not just the brutal realities of a modern conflict (that Hamas started btw.) 

Notice how no one refers to the Iraq War as genocide, despite hundreds of thousands more civilians being killed or displaced in that conflict? It’s because all the “pro-Palestinian activists” of today probably weren’t even born yet and couldn’t feasibly understand horrors have already happened thousands of times in living memory, just that none of them were committed by a Jewish administration.

 

EDIT: It is still ethnic cleansing though.

Did US officials declare their goal was to kill and expel iraqs population to replace them with Americans than destroy 90% of residential infrastructure and try to starve them for months before they were pressured to stop? 

Edited 9 hours ago by Raze

[Apparition of Jack]

12 minutes ago, Raze said:

Did US officials declare their goal was to kill and expel iraqs population to replace them with Americans than destroy 90% of residential infrastructure and try to starve them for months before they were pressured to stop? 

That’s called war. By that logic the Siege of Berlin was a “genocide” because the Soviets tried to blockade and starve the Germans. And Gaza made itself a legitimate war target the moment they decided to harbour Hamas terrorists who butchered 1300 people on October 7th. 
 

I will again admit though that the objectives have since expanded beyond that, now to the deliberate displacement and depopulation of Gaza at the hands of the Israelis. I still am hesitant to call it a “genocide” though because that’s a deeply loaded word that implies a desire to literally exterminate the entire population of an ethnic group, which even the most lunatic right-wing Israeli minister would not attempt.

 

Rwanda and the Holocaust were genocides because their perpetrators were attempting to physically kill every single member of their target ethnic group until none were left. Israel isn’t doing that to Gazans. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Apparition of Jack

[Willy Phallicus]

5 hours ago, Salvijus said:

You don't need to be sinless to fight for what is right.

True.  What you need is might.  Too bad screaming genocide every five minutes isn't fighting or getting things right.

Be that as it may there is no one in a position to lecture israel on the nation stealing game and what that entails without being a hypocrite.

5 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Horrible things happen when there aren't enough people to stand up for what is right.

Also true.  Too bad our ancestors didn't war against civilization and make sure this shit show didn't manifest but here we are.  Now we are all at the mercy of the dominant minority but I guess if things could be better than they would be.

5 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Hopefully more and more people begin to awaken so that less and less evil roams the planet. 

Ironically, choosing a side is the thing that feeds and perpetuates the evil instead of alleviating it but like you said people have to awaken but no one is really ready to have that convo.

[Raze]

30 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

That’s called war. By that logic the Siege of Berlin was a “genocide” because the Soviets tried to blockade and starve the Germans. And Gaza made itself a legitimate war target the moment they decided to harbour Hamas terrorists who butchered 1300 people on October 7th. 

 

The goal of the siege of Berlin wasn’t to destroy the population to replace them. The goal was to capture the capital of a independent nation state that has launched aggression at them. As soon as that happened it stopped and they began to rebuild Germany.

The Israelis are rather doing to Palestinians more like what Americans did to native Americans, destroy them to replace them. 

If after the Soviets defeated Germany they then kept the Germans under permanent subjugation and brought in Russians to move into their homes and forced Germans into a ghetto and then later began trying to destroy them there declaring Germans don’t exist, that would be genocidal. 
 

Gaza isn’t a independent nation state, it’s a ghetto israel has blockaded and attacked for decades.

A third of those killed on Oct 7 were Israeli security forces. Israel considers blockades acts of war and kept Gaza under blockade. So by your logic Oct 7 isn’t terrorism because israel made itself a legitimate war target. 
 

30 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

I will again admit though that the objectives have since expanded beyond that, now to the deliberate displacement and depopulation of Gaza at the hands of the Israelis. I still am hesitant to call it a “genocide” though because that’s a deeply loaded word that implies a desire to literally exterminate the entire population of an ethnic group, which even the most lunatic right-wing Israeli minister would not attempt.

 

Rwanda and the Holocaust were genocides because their perpetrators were attempting to physically kill every single member of their target ethnic group until none were left. Israel isn’t doing that to Gazans. 

Those were the goals from the beginning as seen by multiple statements and acts. They tried to block all water and the US had to force them to stop.

In the Rwanda genocide and the holocaust, there were multiple attempts at expelling portions of the targeted population. 

Also insisting Gaza can’t be a genocide because it’s not like the holocaust or Rwanda is like saying Iraq and Syria couldn’t be wars because they weren’t like world war 1 or 2. Those are two larger examples, but not the definition.

Gaza fits just fine with the Bosnian genocide or Yazidi genocide.

Edited 9 hours ago by Raze

[Apparition of Jack]

@Raze Let me ask you a question. What did October 7th actually accomplish? Like, actually, what?

[Raze]

10 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

@Raze Let me ask you a question. What did October 7th actually accomplish? Like, actually, what?

- Israel was using the US to strong arm Saudi Arabia into normalizing with it without ending the occupation of Palestine, trying to make their oppression permanent. Oct 7 stopped it for now.

- Exposed the Zionist idea that they can occupy millions of Palestinians without significant enough issues as false, the occupation has a cost in security and economics. That’s exactly how French Algeria ended.

- Brought the attention of the world right when Israel’s masked slipped and the world saw their true face, israel is now the most hated country in the world particularly among young people 

- It doesn’t matter what it accomplished or not. When I hear about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising or the Nat Turner rebellion my first thought isn’t “what did that accomplish? You all died”, my first thought is why the world allows people to go through the nightmare of oppression that leads them to do something like that.

Edited 8 hours ago by Raze

[Apparition of Jack]

@Raze Why is the world so obsessed with Israel in the first place? Ethiopia did the EXACT SAME THINGS to the people of Tigray in the early 2020s (actually the conflict has recently just flared up again) and yet I didn’t hear a peep from these “humanist progressives.” What makes Israel so much worse than Ethiopia? Again, what? 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigray_war?wprov=sfti1#Crimes_against_humanity_and_genocide_allegations

[Willy Phallicus]

There's nothing anyone can do to save the terminally stupid from themselves.  Can anyone help the Palestinian cause?

No because they're retarded islames.

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

no one in a position to lecture

2 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

I guess if things could be better than they would be.

2 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

people have to awaken but no one is really ready to have that convo.

1 hour ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Can anyone help the Palestinian cause?

No

"Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it" 

Edited 7 hours ago by Salvijus

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Apparition of Jack said:

@Raze Why is the world so obsessed with Israel in the first place? Ethiopia did the EXACT SAME THINGS to the people of Tigray in the early 2020s (actually the conflict has recently just flared up again) and yet I didn’t hear a peep from these “humanist progressives.” What makes Israel so much worse than Ethiopia? Again, what?

Maybe because the US and Europe is paying for Israel to do it, it’s been going on longer, and Israel’s aggression is risking wrecking the world economy and causing nuclear proliferation at this point. 

[Apparition of Jack]

58 minutes ago, Raze said:

Maybe because the US and Europe is paying for Israel to do it, it’s been going on longer, and Israel’s aggression is risking wrecking the world economy and causing nuclear proliferation at this point. 

Ignore Israel for a second. Let’s be perfectly honest, the world hates Jews.

You hate Jews. I hate Jews. Your sweet little elder neighbour who feeds stray cats all day hates Jews. That’s just how the world is. 
 

 If you are Jewish - not even Israeli, just Jewish - you are the scum of the earth. Worse than scum, in fact. You’re the Devil. You’re Satan. You’re the reason why your back aches after standing up for more than 30 seconds. Even the rain and thunder is your fault, somehow.

Collectively, humanity hasn’t abandon its desire and bloodlust to kill Jews for literally thousands of years now. Even if Israel didnt exist people would still call for Jews to be wiped out. 
 

The existence of Israel is the fucked-up result of, again, humanity’s millennia-long need to scapegoat and blame a group of people for our problems. WE created Israel when we decided some random monotheists from the Levant were to blame for all every ill the world. Someone in this very thread blamed the Russo-Ukraine war - a war between Orthodox Christian countries - on Jews, for some idiotic reason. 

This is why, despite agreeing with the majority of the pro-Palestinian side’s arguments, I don’t hold the same unique hatred of Israel as they do, because I know, lurking in the shadow of that psyche somewhere, is Adolf wanting to slaughter every Jewish person alive for the fact Trump is president and healthcare costs so much. It’s the same dogshit, tired scapegoating mechanism that we still cling to out of paranoia and stupidly and an inability to see all people as human. 
 

Again, Israel is still in the wrong here - but until you face your own twisted desire to enact bloody vengeance on the “Hebrew race” for the crime of your own stressful existence (and trust me, it exists) we will get fundamentally nowhere.

Edited 6 hours ago by Apparition of Jack

[Salvijus]

50 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

the world hates Jews.

The world showed compassion for Jews, welcomed them and tried to be friends with them 100+ times. Yet every time they proved themselves to be uninhabitable to the point they had to be kicked out. If you get kicked out of dozens of bars, sometimes multiple times even, than obviously there's something wrong with you. This has nothing to do with scapegoating or hating. It's a simple reality that being a dick will get people mad at you. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Salvijus

[Wilhelm44]

51 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The world showed compassion for Jews, welcomed them and tried to be friends with them 100+ times. Yet every time they proved themselves to be uninhabitable to the point they had to be kicked out. If you get kicked out of dozens of bars, sometimes multiple times even, than obviously there's something wrong with you. This has nothing to do with scapegoating or hating. It's a simple reality that being a dick will get people mad at you. 

Bro, ur doing racism here. The Israeli government is the problem, not all Jews. I hope ur not still going down that Hitler is cool rabbithole.