Materialism is complete BS

[Carl-Richard]

23 hours ago, Jirh said:

The problem is not that maps exist. The problem is that maps are often misinterpreted as reality.

The solution is not to look for a new map to swap with, but to take a meta view above all maps.

Some maps are retarded. Materialism is such a map.

Edited September 11 by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

There is also something called naive idealism. What do you mean by "appearance"? What do you lay in the notion of Maya/illusion? What do you make of visual illusions, the fact that our sense perceptions are adaptable/changeable depending on circumstance (e.g. you no longer feel your butt as much in the chair after sitting for a while, or if you keep a finger in cold water after a while it no longer feels as cold), that they are limited and only capture so much, etc.?

 

You can still describe things even if reality is mental. That's fundamentally what science does. It's just that materialists additionally create some mysterious substance called "matter" that nobody has ever seen and cling to that as a metaphysical paradigm. "Matter" is in reality a description of mental states. Whether or not you assign an ontological status to it doesn't change this fact (you're always conceding that you ultimately only have access to your mental states per Descartes, unless you're some idiot who doesn't know up from down).

We don't need Descarte or his demons here.  He can't help us here. 

[Joseph Maynor]

10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Silliness only goes so far.   

It is interesting how this comment can be differently interpreted.  I was thinking more in terms of being silly socially, but it could also be interpreted as a point of view being silly.  Silliness generally is not a good argument for a point of view being wrong or bad, I agree.  Sometimes it is though -- the idea that your peanut butter and jelly sandwich talks to you might be a silly point of view, just sayin'.  

Edited September 11 by Joseph Maynor

[Yimpa]

I tested this out in my dream last night. Jumped 100 feet in the air outside with my dad and we landed perfectly. No gear, no equipment, just raw spirit. I broke the laws of material reality just by simply being dead serious about testing it. 

We ran like a gazelle out in the open and then we went FLY BABY FLY!

I flying love Imagination!!

This is Mystical Science baby

Edited September 11 by Yimpa

[Yimpa]

13 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It is interesting how this comment can be differently interpreted.  I was thinking more in terms of being silly socially, but it could also be interpreted as a point of view being silly.  Silliness generally is not a good argument for a point of view being wrong or bad, I agree.  Sometimes it is though -- the idea that your peanut butter and jelly sandwich talks to you might be a silly point of view, just sayin'.  

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-744

[Willy Phallicus]

None of you guys have had the talking peanut butter and jelly sandwich awakening?

[Yimpa]

3 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

None of you guys have had the talking peanut butter and jelly sandwich awakening?

I am deathly allergic to peanut butter. I would like to tell Mr. PB&J sandwich that it is nothing personal. And then we say goodbye. No hugs, just an air kiss goodbye

[Joseph Maynor]

4 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

None of you guys have had the talking peanut butter and jelly sandwich awakening?

This is what I was thinking when I wrote that haha.  True.  

[Yimpa]

On 9/10/2026 at 11:58 AM, Jirh said:

The problem is not that maps exist. The problem is that maps are often misinterpreted as reality.

The solution is not to look for a new map to swap with, but to take a meta view above all maps.

 

[Yimpa]

On 9/10/2026 at 4:17 PM, Joseph Maynor said:

Is this a belief?  

Materialism is imaginary. Death is imaginary. Consciousness is Infinite Imagination. Direct experience is necessary to transcend this as merely a belief.

[inFlow]

On 9/10/2026 at 0:40 PM, Vilius said:

doe's society truly need scientists to tell people that flower is bunch of atoms?

Kaip žmones, mes funkcionuojame labai giliai prasmėmis/vertybėmis. Kaip vaikams yra paaiškinama, kad mums būtų ramu. Iš kur aš atėjau ir kas yra visa tai lengvai atsakyti gali tiesiog big-bang'u arba atomais, loginis mastymas suveda, atsiranda prasmė, lyg ir logiška, lyg ir "susipranta" tai sakykim, kad tokia yra tiesa ir protas sąlyginai nebekvestionuoja to, nors labai giliai supranta, kad toks atsakymas netenkina ir tada galu gale priimi atsakyma, kad nėra atsakymų, nes "mokslas" neatsakė į tai. O gėlė tai tiesiog dievo beribio intelekto kūrinys..

[Vilius]

On 15/09/2026 at 11:24 AM, inFlow said:

Kaip žmones, mes funkcionuojame labai giliai prasmėmis/vertybėmis. Kaip vaikams yra paaiškinama, kad mums būtų ramu. Iš kur aš atėjau ir kas yra visa tai lengvai atsakyti gali tiesiog big-bang'u arba atomais, loginis mastymas suveda, atsiranda prasmė, lyg ir logiška, lyg ir "susipranta" tai sakykim, kad tokia yra tiesa ir protas sąlyginai nebekvestionuoja to, nors labai giliai supranta, kad toks atsakymas netenkina ir tada galu gale priimi atsakyma, kad nėra atsakymų, nes "mokslas" neatsakė į tai. O gėlė tai tiesiog dievo beribio intelekto kūrinys..

Malonu sutikti Lietuvi sitam forume :D. As negyvenu lietuvoje labai ilga laika, retai rasau lietuviskai tai neturiu lietuviu abeceles sitam kompiuteryje. Neseniai atsidariau sita foruma ir pamaciau kiek demesio sitas postas gavo tai nustebau. As postinau labiau kaip reflektyiu rasymu, kadangi man beveik 30, pastebejau save daznai pagaunanti reflektuojanti, kas yra gyvenimas, ir kokius modelius ir logika/supratima naudoju atsineses is mokyklos, universiteto kulturos kas yra realybe, Pastebejau kad visuomenes konsensus yra materializmas, tai kad samone atsiremia i kazkoki tai taska. T.y samone turiu pagrinda, kazkoki tai solidi pagrinda, pvz atomai, kvarkai. As suprantu kad moksluj pripazinti kad realybe neturi jokio pagrindo yra gan baisu, nes tai paneigia visa metafizika ant kurios stovi dabartinis mokslas. 

Nes mokslas turi problema aiskinant tokius dalykus kaip: jeigu mano nuotaika gera, visas pasaulis atrodo geras, kai nuotaika bloga visas pasaulis blogas ect. tai kas yra pasaulis, ir kokioje jis "tikroje" busenoje? Materializmas sako kad gyvenimas turi "tikra busena" ir mes negalime jos zinoti, nes tai kaip kazkoks pasleptas mechanizmas kurio mes negalime patirti. Man tai atrodo didziausias absurdas, nes visata siuo "modeliu" atrodo salta, tolima ir nejaucianti. Kas yra atvirksciai jeigu visa modeli apverciame aukstyn kojom. Tada visata atrodo labiau artima negu tolima, nes gebejimas jausti, suprasti, pykti ir t.t.t egzistuoja tiktais del to, nes visata sugeba tai jausti taipogi, mes juk nesame atskiri mechanizmai nuo jos. 

Pastebejau, kad musu lietuviu kulturoje vyrauja labai stiprus materializmas.