Lindsay Clancy -Mother of 3 kills her kids during psychotic episode

[Basman]

It's kinda fishy the whole thing. Why is bro supporting the murderer of his kids?

I anyway find it disgraceful to blame murder entirely on bad psychiatry. Like come on. Throughout her whole journey her controller was unplugged? Seems like a long shot when you lay it out.

Edited 14 hours ago by Basman

[Elliott]

31 minutes ago, Basman said:

It's kinda fishy the whole thing. Why is bro supporting the murderer of his kids?

I anyway find it disgraceful to blame murder entirely on bad psychiatry. Like come on. Throughout her whole journey her controller was unplugged?

Even her ex mother in law testified for her, they were her grandkids

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/lindsay-clancy-was-begging-for-help-before-killing-her-children-former-mother-in-law-testifies

 

BOSTON (AP) — Lindsay Clancy was "begging for help" in the months leading up to killing her three children and attempting to end her own life, Clancy's former mother-in-law testified for the defense Tuesday in the fourth week of her murder trial.

 

"Lindsay was struggling — we were all concerned," said Susan Clancy, mother of Patrick Clancy, who found the Massachusetts couple's children after they had been strangled in the family basement in January 2023. Lindsay Clancy also attempted to take her own life that night, and was left paralyzed. Lindsay and Patrick Clancy are now divorced.

 

Susan Clancy, who, like Lindsay, worked as a labor and delivery nurse, said in Plymouth Superior Court that she and her former daughter-in-law were close and described Lindsay as a "wonderful mother" who was "very nurturing, very loving." Her testimony echoed emotional accounts the day before from Lindsay Clancy's mother and sister, who recounted for jurors how they saw her become increasingly anxious, paranoid and suicidal starting in the fall of 2022.

 

Susan Clancy said that Lindsay was open with her about struggling and asked for her mother-in-law's support. The jury was shown texts between Lindsay and Susan Clancy in which Lindsay spoke about fears that she had developed a dependence on benzodiazepines, but couldn't sleep without taking them.

"I'm not okay and I'm terrified of taking meds tonight," Lindsay texted her mother-in-law on Nov. 30, 2022, two months before the killings.

 

 

She told us she had thoughts of harming the children," Musgrove said.

During his testimony in the triple-murder trial, Patrick Clancy confirmed that his then-wife, Lindsay Clancy, admitted to having "intrusive thoughts" about harming their children roughly two months before the killings.

 

Her doctors have testified they never saw her exhibit signs of mania or psychosis, though she did repeatedly talk of feeling suicidal.

 

During her treatment, Clancy was prescribed at least ten medications, which included:

Zoloft – an antidepressant healthcare providers use to treat conditions like depression and anxiety.

Trazodone – an antidepressant that is sometimes prescribed as a sleep aid.

Prozac – a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) used to treat mental health conditions like depression.

Ambien – a prescription sedative-hypnotic used for the short-term treatment of insomnia by helping the brain calm down, letting the patient fall asleep faster.

Remeron – a medicine mainly used to treat major depressive disorder, anxiety, and sleep problems linked to depression.

Klonopin – a benzodiazepine used primarily to treat panic disorder and severe anxiety.

Seroquel – an atypical antipsychotic medication primarily used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder.

Ativan – a benzodiazepine primarily used to treat anxiety disorders, short-term anxiety symptoms, and insomnia caused by stress.

Valium – a benzodiazepine used to manage severe anxiety disorders and provide short-term relief from acute tension or panic symptoms.

Lamictal – an anticonvulsant and mood stabilizer used to lift or stop depressive episodes without triggering mania.

 

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[Emerald]

24 minutes ago, Elliott said:

She told them she thought about killing her kids, they admitted to it in court. Their argument is she didn't have a plan to act on them.

That's not my understanding of what happened. But please do cite sources if you have them.

My understanding is that she didn't voice her murder ideations to anyone in her time working with psychiatrists prior to killing her kids.

And it seems like she might have voiced fears to her mom-in-law about "harm coming to the kids'. But that likely just read as a mom anxious and fearful about her kids... on par with many moms who might be fearful of negative things happening to her kids.

There have been psychiatrists that have been brought in as "expert witnesses" as part of her defense who worked with her after she killed her kids. But expert witnesses will be brought in on either side of the trial... to help the defense or the prosecution.

But none of the psychiatrists/psychologists that she saw prior to the murders were clued in about her murder ideations... but were aware of her anxiety, depression, and suicidal ideations. And my understanding is that none of them were made aware of these ideations.

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[Elliott]

29 minutes ago, Raze said:

If it’s a psychotic episode how did she know to get the husband to leave and not snap out of it from the shock of the first killing 

I agree with Emerald.

She probably has mental issues but not the I can’t control my actions way.

She did plan it, while psychotic. Actually she says a voice told her what to do, but close enough.

[LordFall]

41 minutes ago, Raze said:

If it’s a psychotic episode how did she know to get the husband to leave and not snap out of it from the shock of the first killing 

I agree with Emerald.

She probably has mental issues but not the I can’t control my actions way.

That's a good point. The insanity plea has to prove that the defendant lost the ability to tell right from wrong. If that was truly the case she would've just done it in front of him and tried to kill him too.

Sounds like an overwhelm of life paired with Christian beliefs that her children will go to heaven after she kills them and so will she since she believes in Jesus so she was going for murder-suicide into a happily ever after in the afterlife. 

[Elliott]

17 minutes ago, LordFall said:

That's a good point. The insanity plea has to prove that the defendant lost the ability to tell right from wrong. If that was truly the case she would've just done it in front of him and tried to kill him too.

Sounds like an overwhelm of life paired with Christian beliefs that her children will go to heaven after she kills them and so will she since she believes in Jesus so she was going for murder-suicide into a happily ever after in the afterlife. 

'Not knowing right from wrong' is about morality, not being retarded. She's a tiny woman and she strangled them, she didn't shoot them. Imagine how crazy you have to be to strangle your three kids with an excercise band, navy seals couldn't do that to a foreign kid.

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[LordFall]

Yeah I wonder if they assessed her for psychopathy/antisocial personality disorder. She does look stone cold in the clips I've seen of her. 

[Emerald]

24 minutes ago, LordFall said:

That's a good point. The insanity plea has to prove that the defendant lost the ability to tell right from wrong. If that was truly the case she would've just done it in front of him and tried to kill him too.

Sounds like an overwhelm of life paired with Christian beliefs that her children will go to heaven after she kills them and so will she since she believes in Jesus so she was going for murder-suicide into a happily ever after in the afterlife. 

Actually, in Massachusetts, the burden of proof is on the prosecution to disprove her claim that she's not criminally responsible for her actions.

In other states, the burden of proof is on the defense to prove the defendant is not criminally responsible by reason of insanity. In which case, it would be on Lindsay Clancy's legal team to prove that she IS insane.

But in Massachusetts, it's the prosecution that must prove that she's NOT legally insane in order for her "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea to fall apart.

So, the state she lives in is probably the most ideal state to get away with murder by claiming insanity.

[LordFall]

@Emerald Wouldn't the fact that she asked her husband to leave the house while she did it invalidate the insanity defense? Sounds pretty rational to me. 

[Elliott]

30 minutes ago, LordFall said:

@Emerald Wouldn't the fact that she asked her husband to leave the house while she did it invalidate the insanity defense? Sounds pretty rational to me. 

Strangling your 3 kids "sounds rational to" you

 

What do you witch burners have for her root motive for all this? Just "evil" right? A rational evil woman, a witch...

 

 

 

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[LordFall]

9 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Strangling your 3 kids "sounds rational to" you

 

What do you witch burners have for her root motive for all this? Just "evil" right? A rational evil woman, a witch...

 

 

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

Sounds like an overwhelm of life paired with Christian beliefs that her children will go to heaven after she kills them and so will she since she believes in Jesus so she was going for murder-suicide into a happily ever after in the afterlife. 

That's my main understanding of what she was thinking. Years of stress plus feeling isolated with no other options with a christian ideology to invalidate her crimes in her mind. 

[Ulax]

44 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Yeah I wonder if they assessed her for psychopathy/antisocial personality disorder. She does look stone cold in the clips I've seen of her. 

Explainable as dissociation

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, LordFall said:

 

That's my main understanding of what she was thinking. Years of stress plus feeling isolated with no other options with a christian ideology to invalidate her crimes in her mind. 

She didn't have years of stress, all this started only after her third kid, everything happened within 5 months.

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[Elliott]

What's most disgusting to me about the reaction to this, the same people that run their mouths about population decline are the same people trying to write off women's mental health being addressed on this.

[Basman]

They have to prove that she's guilty of crminal intent beyound a reasonable doubt, which is a higher bar than it would be otherwise. I wouldn't be surprised if the defense won tbh, especially since the husband sided with her. 

It's a shit law imo. Reaon why most state have done away with that. You can thank Ronald Reagan for that btw.

Edited 7 hours ago by Basman

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Emerald said:

Actually, in Massachusetts, the burden of proof is on the prosecution to disprove her claim that she's not criminally responsible for her actions.

In other states, the burden of proof is on the defense to prove the defendant is not criminally responsible by reason of insanity. In which case, it would be on Lindsay Clancy's legal team to prove that she IS insane.

But in Massachusetts, it's the prosecution that must prove that she's NOT legally insane in order for her "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea to fall apart.

So, the state she lives in is probably the most ideal state to get away with murder by claiming insanity.

The fucking amount of double negatives in this post is insane. I can't prove you had the intent to write this cryptically, but the mere action is immoral. You could've written everything so much simpler.

[Basman]

39 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The fucking amount of double negatives in this post is insane. I can't prove you had the intent to write this cryptically, but the mere action is immoral. You could've written everything so much simpler.

Huh?