Solipsism question

[vvv2k12]

So consciousness (I) can only experience one avatar at a time and eventually consciousness will live through every possible life but what happens when consciousness lives Leo's life and is making that solipsism video.

"I am not conscious"

"You are the only conscious thing in existence"

"There is just your dream"

Etc...

How would this whole perspective apply in that case. Seems contradictory...

 

Edited 12 hours ago by vvv2k12

[Sincerity]

It’s just Consciousness. This, Now. It’s Everything, it’s You.

1 hour ago, vvv2k12 said:

and eventually consciousness will live through every possible life

I’d be careful with this. It’s a belief. I’m not saying it’s necessarily false per se, but it sounds like a conceptual framework which Consciousness isn’t bound by. You don’t know what happens. Same with „can only experience one avatar at a time”. You don’t know that.

1 hour ago, vvv2k12 said:

but what happens when consciousness lives Leo's life and is making that solipsism video.

"I am not conscious"

"You are the only conscious thing in existence"

"There is just your dream"

Etc...

How would this whole perspective apply in that case. Seems contradictory...

Consciousness doesn’t „live Leo’s life”. It’s a Dream. An aspect of the Dream (that You are) is talking to you. It doesn’t have „its own POV” - the only thing that exists is This, Now. That’s Truth.

The idea that Leo has his own POV is just an idea, which the content of doesn’t relate to Truth. But the fact that the idea itself exists IS Truth, because it IS (in your mind). What is, is Truth.

Edited 10 hours ago by Sincerity

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, vvv2k12 said:

So consciousness (I) can only experience one avatar at a time and eventually consciousness will live through every possible life but what happens when consciousness lives Leo's life and is making that solipsism video.

"I am not conscious"

"You are the only conscious thing in existence"

"There is just your dream"

Etc...

How would this whole perspective apply in that case. Seems contradictory...

 

Ahh..well, see, but that's not what is happening now. What's happening now is YOU watching the video.  So, stay present.  That;s the trick.  That's the whole trick about reality.  It wants you to think about the future or the past.  It's now, this moment. That is all there is.  But it's so fucking juicy at tricking you.

[Someone here]

Why do you need to know ?

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Why do you need to know ?

I thought the same thing as him.  If you are looking through Leo's eyes then you cannot say "it's you not me" .

But in reality you can because he's teaching.  So he's teaching "other".  It matters not whether his experience is ocurring or not, because it's about "other" not him.

It's weird.  But yeah, that's solispsim.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If you are looking through Leo's eyes then you cannot say "it's you not me" .

Do you look through your own eyes? Or is that an unexamined assumption borrowed from your conditioning?

 

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Do you look through your own eyes? Or is that an unexamined assumption borrowed from your conditioning?

 

Right.  What it is even to say you are looking through eyes.  What is it to say you.  So , the assumptions run deep.  

But now I like where you are going.  Because if you trace that back all the way you get the Absolute.  Absolute Consciousness.  Clear of any individualism.   So, in a sense it's not solipsism, but also it is, in the sense that its just your Mind stuck with no one else out there.  Its just Mind. But its your Mind.  You cannot escape this.  Whether you want to attribute a you or not, you cannot escape that this is all there is.

Edited 7 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

in the sense that its just your Mind stuck with no one else out there.  Its just Mind. But its your Mind.  You cannot escape this.  Whether you want to attribute a you or not, you cannot escape that this is all there is.

And why is this a problem? 
And if it’s not a problem then where is the problem?

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

And why is this a problem? 
And if it’s not a problem then where is the problem?

It's not a problem.  But I guess it's the hang up with other minds.  The realization that you are alone isn't fun.  I cannot tell you why that is, but it isn't fun.  Perhaps because it would be comforting to know there are other minds, that we are not alone.  But, alas, you are the boss.

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The realization that you are alone isn't fun

Maybe , for you ,but how do you know you are alone ? Maybe you are not . 

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Maybe , for you ,but how do you know you are alone ? Maybe you are not . 

Yeah..let's break that down.  Will you EVER have direct validation that you are not?  Never because all you have is you!!! your perspective.  You can't just go willy nilly looking through other being's eyes.  It doesn't work like that.  So...can we agree that - for all of eternity, you will never be able to know if another mind exists?  See, here's the fucked up part.  If you agree with me here, you are validating solipsism.  It's FOREVER.  So it's self validating.

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah..let's break that down.  Will you EVER have direct validation that you are not?  Never because all you have is you!!! your perspective.  You can't just go willy nilly looking through other being's eyes.  It doesn't work like that.  So...can we agree that - for all of eternity, you will never be able to know if another mind exists?  See, here's the fucked up part.  If you agree with me here, you are validating solipsism.  It's FOREVER.  So it's self validating.

but that just circles back to the question of :

“why is this a problem ?

if it’s not a problem then where is the problem ?”

🔄

Edited 7 hours ago by Someone here

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

but that just circles back to the question of :

“why is this a problem ?

if it’s not a problem then where is the problem ?”

🔄

You don't have any issues with how fucked up that is.  It sucks man.  We're God.

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

You don't have any issues with how fucked up that is.  It sucks man.  We're God.

So, you are god . And being and knowing that you are god sucks to you ?

[Yimpa]

5 hours ago, vvv2k12 said:

Seems contradictory...

Don’t forget about state of consciousness is everything. So for example, are you watching a video that someone else make or are you God imagining the video? You can answer this logically, but that is not the same is what is experientially true for you. Which, again, depends on your state. 

[Inliytened1]

51 minutes ago, Someone here said:

So, you are god . And being and knowing that you are god sucks to you ?

It's just a lot.  We gotta be ready. I just wanna jerk off.

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I just wanna jerk off

Have sex instead .

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Someone here said:

Have sex instead .

Smile

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

for all of eternity, you will never be able to know if another mind exists

It's easy knowing that other mind exist. Your mind is limited, concrete, your experience is defined. Then it's sure that another different mind and experience is possible. If its possible, then it exists. Why do you need to experience it? It's obvious. 

[Inliytened1]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's easy knowing that other mind exist. Your mind is limited, concrete, your experience is defined. Then it's sure that another different mind and experience is possible. If its possible, then it exists. Why do you need to experience it? It's obvious. 

No. In YOUR DIRECT EXPERIENCE DO OTHER MINDS EXIST.  They do not.  Only this exists.  THIS.  Right?  What is this though? well, then you have to start to ponder - but that's a separate discussion.  

Edited 4 hours ago by Inliytened1