Relationship Based on Truth, Honesty & Vulnerability

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Miguel1 said:

@LordFall Of course both are important, that goes without saying. Without human survival, there is no human spirituality and deep connection.

As always, you are deep in your orange pursuits, so you will rationalize anything for your favour.

Sure I think mastering stage orange is a great way to build a foundation for a solid life and the relationships that come with it. You keep saying that anyone that doesn't view the world the way you do is wrong. That sounds like a bias and ego deflection to me. It's your life man if you're happy with the way you're operating then more power to you. I'm just pointing out the blindspots that seem objective to me. 

When you start saying that women that want a man that has his shit together is stuck in ego then I think you've gone off the deep end. My reason for thinking that you are operating from shadow and not healthy integration of stage orange and green is you keep shaming other perspectives that aren't aligned with yours instead of understanding where they're coming from.

[MarkKol]

16 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

The point is that 99%+ people havent done the work, and are stuck in their survival ego, thus are not capable of real intimacy, vulnerability and love — but just uses the other for their own unconscious survival agendas, whether it is something gross like financial or someting sublte like trauma.

My point is the same as yours: people don't care about vulnerability.

I would rather work on a different area in life than seek extra depth or extra meaning out of an existing relationship that started because of a superficial reason in the first place; it's a hit-or-miss, most often a miss.

34 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

real intimacy, vulnerability and love

These are very nebulous feelings and conditions inside a relationship. Defining them or understanding them doesn't make it easier. It would be easier and more dependable to just love yourself more. People are animals; I don't expect them to have much depth at all, and that's fine.