Professor Dave goes off on Destiny and Israel 🇮🇱

[Nivsch]

@Karmadhi Its unfortunate to see the extreme actions of some people generalized to an entire society. At the same time, I understand this is painful and difficult for you.

[AION]

Israel is not a viable entity on the long term. And especially now with US retreating from ME they will either bend or break. 

[Basman]

36 minutes ago, AION said:

Israel is not a viable entity on the long term. And especially now with US retreating from ME they will either bend or break. 

I don't think so, but I do think that zionism and Netanyahu are bad for the country long-term.

[Leo Gura]

Palestine is not viable. Israel will just take it all over. It is raw power.

You have to understand when you lost the war.

Palestine will not defeat Israel. And Israel will not grow a conscience anytime soon.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Israel will just take it all over.

I hope no. Enough people here know that annexation is disastrous.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Palestine is not viable. Israel will just take it all over. It is raw power.

You have to understand when you lost the war.

Palestine will not defeat Israel. And Israel will not grow a conscience anytime soon.

Palestinians understand that just fine, they accepted the occupation for decades, this is the result of Israel actively trying to destroy them.

Thats like telling prisoners of war who are getting executed they should understand it’s over. It’s not over until they’re dead.

Israel can only do this because of support from the US and Europe. Which is why it’s up to the public to stop their politicians from enabling it. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Raze

[Karmadhi]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

other redeeming qualities like a tech sector and democracy

Do those outweight desire for genocide and ethnic cleansing? To me a genocidal society becomes null regardless of how great other things may be like gdp or technology. Nazis were also pretty techonology advanced and organized. Yet they are seen as bad because they were genocidal.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't argue that Palestinians aren't super backwards developmentally

I feel you are too harsh on them. I have seen tons of interviews with them and many are reasonable. Especially in West Bank. Hartd to be chill when you lost half ur family in strikes like Gazans have. Given how much Palestinians have suffered they could have been a lot worse . Their issue is how stubborn they are more than anything. The religious part is mostly some Hamas nutcases, the majority are nationalists not religious zealots. If you see interviews about regular palestinians their motivation is about getting the land they lost back and justice, not global jihad.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

ay what you will about Netanyahu, but he is no religious fanatic

Neither was Hitler of Stalin. Does not mean they were nice guys or guys you should befriend

Putin is also not a religious fanatic yet I see way more demonization of Putin then Bibi

When Trump tried to treat Putin with some resemblance of how he treats Bibi, everyone in USA lost their shit

I personally find Bibi's war crimes much worse than Putins

Edited 22 minutes ago by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

extreme actions of some people generalized to an entire society

To be fair I have seen many polls in Israel where 80% or more support ethcnic cleansing or genocide 

It is not "some people" it is the majority

[Nivsch]

@Karmadhi You will have to show the polls you are based on.

[Karmadhi]

@Nivsch https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.premium/a-grim-poll-shows-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans-its-brutal-and-true/00000197-3640-d9f1-abb7-7e742b300000

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-05/ty-article/.premium/large-majority-of-israeli-jews-untroubled-by-reports-of-famine-in-gaza-poll-finds/00000198-7ab3-d0ce-a5de-fbb374f30000

I try to use Israelis sources as much as possible

Edited 25 minutes ago by Karmadhi

[Nivsch]

@Karmadhi

Expelling isn't equal to "genocide", actually very far from it. 

"untroubled" or an another form of apathi are too not even close to actively want to kill people.

Those emotions aren't surprising at all after 30 years of terror attacks and at the top of them Oct7.

Edited 12 minutes ago by Nivsch