Solipsism - You will only have your perspective- forever

[Inliytened1]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I can see that, perhaps because you have something to prove, I am not being heard. 

This isn't going anywhere - thanks for your time.

Its an awakening. It's not something you can conceptualize.

Edited yesterday at 10:08 AM by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Its an awakening. It's not something you can conceptualize.

Yet it is conceptualized. Otherwise there would be no recognition that "other" is not. You would simply reside in oneness, infinity, union. Other isn't known to you. So it cannot be denied.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yet it is conceptualized. Otherwise there would be no recognition that "other" is not. You would simply reside in oneness, infinity, union. Other isn't known to you. So it cannot be denied.

I can turn this around to say it is conceptualized that others are.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I can turn this around to say it is conceptualized that others are.

I would just counter that and reneg my original statement - there would just be being and that is all. 

Solipsism, others, you, me, mine, inside, outside. All mind concepts which can never be direct.

[Inliytened1]

50 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I would just counter that and reneg my original statement - there would just be being and that is all. 

Solipsism, others, you, me, mine, inside, outside. All mind concepts which can never be direct.

It comes down to materialism vs idealism.   When you realize its Mind everything changes.   Because if its made of dream stuff than for everyone to have their own experiences they would have to be on islands of isolation.  Which is the Infinity of Gods.  But inside a single dream it doesn't make sense. 

[Deadpixel]

@Natasha Tori Maru can yall just start admitting y’all ain’t real? 

[Nercohype]

Many say that the "self" doesn't exist, but I don't see it that way. I believe the psyche does exist. The problem, in my view, is that many people identify only with the psyche and think that is all they are. I don't think that's the whole picture. We are more than the psyche, but I also don't believe the self is an illusion. The psyche is intimately part of the whole. It doesn't simply disappear. Rather, I believe it can become united with the Great One.

When I hear ideas such as:
"I am God. No one else exists but me. Everything else is an illusion. There is nothing behind the scenes."
...that doesn't resonate with me personally.
My own understanding is different.

I don't believe I am God, nor do I believe I ever will be. I see myself as a servant of the Great One. Compared to the Great One, I am only a tiny speck of dust. And yet, I also believe we are one.

So, from my perspective:
"I am God" doesn't seem true.
"I am only the self" also doesn't seem complete.
What makes the most sense to me is that I am both the self and consciousness an individual expression that is inseparable from the greater whole.
This is simply how I understand it at this point in my life. I also try to remind myself that I still have much to learn. There is far more that I don't know than what I do know.

To me, compassion is the greatest virtue. I don't see truth and compassion as separate. They are like two sides of the same coin. Without truth, compassion loses its foundation. Without compassion, truth can become cold and harmful.

I know Leo often says that truth is the highest value. I understand why he sees it that way, but I personally see it a little differently. To me, the highest value is truth and compassion together.
At least, that's where I currently stand. I'm always open to learning and having my understanding deepen.

[Mellowmarsh]

8 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Mellowmarsh your name is nice it just took me by surprise.  Sorry if I came off any kind of way. 

Anyways. As far as no self goes -ah it's odd that you think you can have an ego but nobody's home.  My claim is that the you is embedded into your current state of consciousness but if you were to lose such a state you would lose your..... And I mean all of you. It would be difficult to even post here. There would be a lack of the sense of you. Almost like a robot just going through the motions.  You would essentially be depersonalized.

Well I suppose anything can happen in a dream, including losing the sense of a separate self, or having a separate self.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Well I suppose anything can happen in a dream, including losing the sense of a separate self, or having a separate self.

 

 

The dream is the self.  

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

The dream is the self.  

That as well.

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It comes down to materialism vs idealism.   When you realize its Mind everything changes.   Because if its made of dream stuff than for everyone to have their own experiences they would have to be on islands of isolation.  Which is the Infinity of Gods.  But inside a single dream it doesn't make sense. 

8 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I 

Idealism and the realization of God say that everything is your mind and there is nothing outside your field of experience; this is absolute. Well, except that God, who is you but in a hidden state, is currently executing a very complicated camouflage operation to make himself believe that experience is real. This fact is outside of experience.

For example, the ground you are standing on is being created by you now, but outside of your experience. That is, experience is absolute except for this.

It seems you want to believe this solipsism because it makes you feel good, and you invent a chain of arguments that don't hold up in order to believe it. And you explain them to nonexistent people. Why? Do you realize how this sounds for anyone that is listening you?

[Willy Phallicus]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Its an awakening. It's not something you can conceptualize.

She'll never get it.  It becomes or appears conceptual because we are trying to explain the miracle using human language.  

Edited 21 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[Willy Phallicus]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

you invent a chain of arguments that don't hold up in order to believe it.

Its a statement of fact that the consensus wants to argue with. 

Its like talking to an atheist.  The non believers can't handle truth so they don't.  They just mock and deride it.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 hours ago, Deadpixel said:

@Natasha Tori Maru can yall just start admitting y’all ain’t real? 

That is a story your mind is mapping over what is. Some sort of belief taken on as it is sourced from ideas.

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It comes down to materialism vs idealism.   When you realize its Mind everything changes.   Because if its made of dream stuff than for everyone to have their own experiences they would have to be on islands of isolation.  Which is the Infinity of Gods.  But inside a single dream it doesn't make sense. 

Infinity of Gods in the relative domain aligns - within time and space. Behind it all is oneness, unity, wholeness, infinity (and not even, these are merely pointers that appear as interpretations for isness). There are simply too many narratives and mind-overlay thoughts needed to "grasp" or "awaken" to solipsism in any direct manner as a relative domain "experience". My critique is more about the direct realisation itself. It simply is not direct because it requires interpretation. It requires things that do not exist in reality to understand reality - this is in conflict.

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And for anyone who thinks there is something I dislike or I don't like the feelings associated with solipsism - think again. The concept of being alone is right and dandy with me. 

 

[JoshB]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

That is a story your mind is mapping over what is. Some sort of belief taken on as it is sourced from ideas.

Infinity of Gods in the relative domain aligns - within time and space. Behind it all is oneness, unity, wholeness, infinity (and not even, these are merely pointers that appear as interpretations for isness). There are simply too many narratives and mind-overlay thoughts needed to "grasp" or "awaken" to solipsism in any direct manner as a relative domain "experience". My critique is more about the direct realisation itself. It simply is not direct because it requires interpretation. It requires things that do not exist in reality to understand reality - this is in conflict.

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And for anyone who thinks there is something I dislike or I don't like the feelings associated with solipsism - think again. The concept of being alone is right and dandy with me. 

 

There can not be another conciousness in existence because conciousness is infinite. Its an Absolute Ontological fact.

And here you are Absolutely Concious.

If there was another conciousness you wouldn't be God. 

All belief, conceptualizing, and interpretation is 2nd order to Conciousness. If you weren't concious right now none of this could occur. Which is why conciousness is and will always be 1st order.

There will never be day where any of you find a mind outside of yours. 

Edited 9 hours ago by JoshB

[Mellowmarsh]

23 hours ago, Deadpixel said:

@Natasha Tori Maru can yall just start admitting y’all ain’t real? 

So why does that knowledge break your heart?

[JoshB]

It is impossible to actualize infinite imagination without realizing no other. 

Edited 9 hours ago by JoshB

[Breakingthewall]

35 minutes ago, JoshB said:

There can not be another conciousness in existence because conciousness is infinite. Its an Absolute Ontological fact.

Your conscious is infinite? I'd say that no, then where are all the other conscious possiblities?

Edited 9 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[JoshB]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Your conscious is infinite? I'd say that no, then where are all the other conscious possiblities?

Conciousness includes any and all possibilities.  

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, JoshB said:

Conciousness includes any and all possibilities.  

Yes but you are conscious of being a person, not a rat. Where is the consciousness of being a rat? Out of your consciousness, right? Then there is consciousness out of your field of consciousness