Solipsism - You will only have your perspective- forever

[Natasha Tori Maru]

"There is an objective reality. We experience reality through our senses. Therefore, our experience is of objective reality."

This has carries a large logical leap between the second two statements....

 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

"There is an objective reality. We experience reality through our senses. Therefore, our experience is of objective reality."

This has carries a large logical leap between the second two statements....

 

Ta da!! 😀

[Inliytened1]

@LordFall I should have put up a disclaimer.  This is dangerous territory. 

[Nercohype]

Solipsism = Spiritual Narcissism 

Ta-daa! 

[Wilhelm44]

17 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

 Her? Didn't realize she was a she.  Anyways - I'm not disputing permanence.  Once you wake up from a dream could you ever dream the same way? Let me ask you this.  Could you forget you were dreaming again and fall back into the dream, well - that's what God does to keep you sane.  He allows you to dream again. Otherwise you would go crazy. So..whatever they tell you - I'm telling you they aren't in that same God state anymore .  We talk about God Consciousness all the time here. It's because you are not always in it otherwise there would be no differentiation between God Consciousness and human Consciousness.   A 24/7 God state would probably lose you of all self desires and goals which includes survival. So they can tell you all day how permanent it is.  The realization is permanent but states change and are impermanent.  That's how you can be immortal. 

I don't think Mellowmarsh is going to respond here. She's pointed out to me the futility of debating this stuff.

I just want to clear up some misunderstanding here. Jim is not in some peak mystical God realized state, I agree you wouldn't be able to function like that.

His sense of a separate self has just 'fallen away' permanently. (Probably not using the correct nondual terminology here.)

Thoughts, emotions, actions still happen, there's just zero personal ownership of it all.

Spirit or Intelligence doesn't require personal ownership to still do it's thing. Life goes on.

But yeah, have a chat with Mellowmarsh, I think you know which part of the forest she likes to hangout.

Don't approach it like a debate though, pure curiosity goes a long way. 

(I don't know if you play sports, but when you play tennis for example, and you go into the "zone", there is no sense of identity or personal ownership, there is just pure flow. Now according to your theory this should be impossible.)

Edited 6 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[JoshB]

On 7/20/2026 at 3:56 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Solipsism cannot be realised in any direct way. There is no direct realisation of it.

It relies on interpretive concept.

@Inliytened1 Solipsism is one of the most direct realizations one can have. It will be so direct it will utterly shake you to your core.

Conciousness is Fully capable of being Concious it is the only thing there is.

Edited 6 hours ago by JoshB

[JoshB]

58 minutes ago, Nercohype said:

Solipsism = Spiritual Narcissism 

Ta-daa! 

Denial of solipsism is spiritual narcissism 

Ta-da!

Edited 6 hours ago by JoshB

[JoshB]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

How the fuck can I even escape concept?!?!?!

I feel like claiming I can would be dishonest

You break through conecpt to Being

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@JoshB how can you realise solipsism without a duality of inside/outside? Me/other? My experience claimed as "mine"?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, JoshB said:

You break through conecpt to Being

Pure being has no recognition of solipsism. 

[JoshB]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@JoshB how can you realise solipsism without a duality of inside/outside? Me/other? My experience claimed as "mine"?

Thats precisely how you realize it. 

[JoshB]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Pure being has no recognition of solipsism. 

Pure Being is all there is. When you become Concious of Absolute Being. You'll realize there is nothing outside of Being. And you are Being lol.

[JoshB]

@Natasha Tori Maru did you not watch the solipsism video leo made? 

Edited 6 hours ago by JoshB

[JoshB]

As long as the ego is intact it has 0 desire in realizing Solipsism being true. 

[JoshB]

Do the characters in your dream at night have their own mind? No of course not. 

Now when you realize life to be a dream the people around will be recontextualized as characters within your dream. And ofc they have no conciousness of their own. 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by JoshB

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, JoshB said:

Pure Being is all there is. When you become Concious of Absolute Being. You'll realize there is nothing outside of Being. And you are Being lol.

If you recognise there is nothing outside being - there has to be some sort of concept of inside / outside. So you are interpreting - hence an idea - hence an adapted belief.

2 minutes ago, JoshB said:

@Natasha Tori Maru did you not watch the solipsism video leo made? 

Yes. Many times. And the takedown video. 

It's a belief. 

It's probably my most repeated video of Leo's 

[JoshB]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

If you recognise there is nothing outside being - there has to be some sort of concept of inside / outside. So you are interpreting - hence an idea - hence an adapted belief.

Yes. Many times. And the takedown video. 

It's a belief. 

It's probably my most repeated video of Leo's 

So you are concious of other minds as we speak? 

The belief you hold is i am not fully you and when you awaken thaf belief will collapse with actuality. 

Being includes inside and outside. 

Edited 6 hours ago by JoshB

[JoshB]

If Solipsism is actually true whos going to prove it is to you?

Because if your mind is the only one the possibility of self deception becomes a much wider scope.

Because there wont be an external way of validating if youre wrong. 

Edited 6 hours ago by JoshB

[JoshB]

@Natasha Tori Maru what you are claiming is the exact opposite of what leo taught in the video. 

It is possible to hold solipsism as a belief and it is also possible to become absolutely concious that solipsism is absolutely true, which is not belief. 

Edited 6 hours ago by JoshB

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@JoshB you can't escape the conceptual interpretation, even if you try to state otherwise.