Not All AI Is Slop

[Andrey]

I've been listening to this AI Banger for months now.

 Salute to all NHI, UAP, Bob Lazar fans 

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=8CgMU5_V4wo&list=LM

[Opulence]

To be honest, I don't appreciate the word AI slop, it's overly used and needlessly used because AI is so helpful to so many people in a very big way, to dismiss it as AI slop really denigrates the deeper value of AI. I have a friend who writes a huge bunch of code using AI. So there you go.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

lot of nice ai art.

it was a cool watch

[Leo Gura]

I have used AI to create some really good thumbnails for my videos. So yeah, there is good uses for it. But creating good stuff requires a lot of work still.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AerisVahnEphelia]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have used AI to create some really good thumbnails for my videos. So yeah, there is good uses for it. But creating good stuff requires a lot of work still.

you just find yourself taking more time for things you couldn't before.

the empty space of effort get filled by a new kind of effort. 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

you just find yourself taking more time for things you couldn't before.

the empty space of effort get filled by a new kind of effort. 

But sometimes the AI is so poor at producing what I want that I just have to quit in disgust. You can only prompt it so many times before you go nauseous and mad.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Opulence]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

But sometimes the AI is so poor at producing what I wnat that I just have to quit in disgust. You can only prompt it so many times till you go nauseous.

Maybe in the future there will be better more user friendly AI that uses different technology to map our imaginations. Still it's not as bad and much cheaper than hiring a real employee who could charge a lot for finished pieces. 

[Leo Gura]

Cheaper but more mediocre.

[Butters]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can only prompt it so many times before you go nauseous and mad.

Yes this sums up my day-to-day. 

[AerisVahnEphelia]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But sometimes the AI is so poor at producing what I want that I just have to quit in disgust. You can only prompt it so many times before you go nauseous and mad.

Yes, you still need to understand more than just prompting if you have very specific needs.

If you ever need any kind of visual work, feel free to DM me. I’d be happy to "do it for free", or you can pay whatever you think is fair if I manage to achieve what you want. If necessary, I’ll also explain honestly how I achieved it.

I’m also genuinely curious about what you were trying to do and what happened, if you experienced limitations yourself. I like understanding the current problems people face when using these tools.

Of course, making a complete movie that does not suck is still nearly impossible because of the physical and technical limitations of the technology. However, I have also noticed that non-experts often use it in very limited ways. They do not use sketches to guide the output, they are unaware of editing tools, and they do not know how to bypass current limitations through more advanced techniques.

It involves a lot of trial and error, and I have spent more than 1,000 hours experimenting with different visual AI tools, so I’m genuinely curious. Let me know.

I also have a registered business that allows me to invoice clients for visual art. Since I am only beginning to develop this side of the business, I am still willing to prove what I can do first. I also create physical and custom pieces, and I can print certain artworks or figurines. I am currently working on a website that will make all of this much clearer very soon.

( some of my work is visible : link in the bottom )

Edited 1 hour ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[Lyubov]

It’s effectively being put in the hands of monkeys so it’s mostly crap though. I think if you have an eye for design and start with your own original material it can be good at adding effects and whatnot. Creating entirely original stuff just from prompts looks like slop 98% of the time. 

[AerisVahnEphelia]

3 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

It’s effectively being put in the hands of monkeys so it’s mostly crap though. I think if you have an eye for design and start with your own original material it can be good at adding effects and whatnot. Creating entirely original stuff just from prompts looks like slop 98% of the time. 

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Using stolen data. Stolen creation.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Using stolen data. Stolen creation.

We don’t talk about stealing data when we observe reality.

I think the concept of stealing only applies when someone takes specific elements that already contain a strong and complex creative component.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, AerisVahnEphelia said:

We don’t talk about stealing data when we observe reality.

I think the concept of stealing only applies when someone takes specific elements that already contain a strong and complex creative component.

 

That's just your own wiggly way of avoiding the IP issue. 

[Basman]

If you have a vision for what you want to make and you want it to be quality you have to get hands on either way. AI can do parts or even get the ball rolling depending, but often needs touching up at the best of times. If you have a specific vision of what you want to make then your probably wasting your time using it when you could just make it yourself and get exactly what you want from the get go.

AI is seems better at generating music than illustrations though, but I don't know much about music production.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

That's just your own wiggly way of avoiding the IP issue. 

It is always rather rich to lecture others about “stealing” when you live in a settler-colonial country such as Australia or the United States.

People benefiting from societies built through dispossession, conquest and genocide are not exactly speaking from an uncompromised position when they make absolute moral claims about theft, unless they accept the premise that history is ultimately governed by force, violence, piracy and colonialism. That may, in fact, be the case.

So perhaps I am “stealing” by using AI trained on material that was itself built upon centuries of appropriation, extraction and recycled cultural production. I am not sure how that compares morally with living comfortably inside a state founded through mass dispossession, but well… lol.

For the record, I do not particularly care about any of this. But once someone begins with shallow moral accusations, I am very good at exposing the contradictions in their own position.

[Elliott]

 

38 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

 

 

This is really good, did it take a lot of work?

 

It's an expression that is otherwise borderline impossible. It's a new medium, like when photography came out.

 

OP, is crap....

 

This will compete with Hollywood, a good thing.

Edited 59 minutes ago by Elliott

[AerisVahnEphelia]

13 minutes ago, Elliott said:

 

This is really good, did it take a lot of work?

 

It's an expression that is otherwise borderline impossible. It's a new medium, like when photography came out.

 

OP, is crap....

 

This will compete with Hollywood, a good thing.

it's hard to measure such things, especially in art, it can be the result of long complex practice & contemplation.
+ 12 years in art & visual contemplation.
daily practice of using different ai for more than 12 months.

in itself for this project, maybe 30 hours of "effort" counting research, visual creation, editing, montage, that's not my longest work.

Edited 49 minutes ago by AerisVahnEphelia