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[AION]

On 14-7-2026 at 4:42 PM, Novac08 said:

Wasn’t there a video where Leo discussed how all of society was a cult. Perhaps that term has been used a bit too loosely.

The word cult comes from culture. This forum has definitely a culture and freedom of speech is not part of that. 

[Wilhelm44]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Yeah, this type of stuff sucks. Im still telling you there's a different energy about Jim and the message unravels things quickly when truly heard, but you just listened to his laugh🙂

[Carl-Richard]

20 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Carl-Richard

Feels like we going in circles now.

Ulax already gave you some examples there.

Yes, Ulax gave a hypothetical. But we're talking about Nahm's actual statements, correct? So maybe we can talk about some of those.

As for the hypothetical (and I'll show you why hypotheticals alone aren't always so fun), I actually don't think that hypothetical would be the biggest sin depending on the situation. If there were 10 'practical advice' comments and then Nahm turns up and drops a non-dual bomb (n-bomb), I probably wouldn't care very much, depending on how it's done of course. And we're actually assuming getting a job is necessary and that having a non-dual epiphany and perhaps joining a monastery is out of the picture. Sure, again, it can be annoying that it doesn't seem to directly answer the question, but that's 'annoying'.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Yes, Ulax gave a hypothetical. But we're talking about Nahm's actual statements, correct? So maybe we can talk about some of those.

As for the hypothetical (and I'll show you why hypotheticals alone aren't always so fun), I actually don't think that hypothetical would be the biggest sin depending on the situation. If there were 10 'practical advice' comments and then Nahm turns up and drops a non-dual bomb (n-bomb), I probably wouldn't care very much, depending on how it's done of course. We're actually assuming getting a job is necessary and that having a non-dual epiphany and perhaps joining a monastery is out of the picture. Sure, again, it can be annoying that it doesn't seem to directly answer the question, but that's 'annoying'.

I was there the day before Nahm got banned, and I remember looking at something he wrote thinking, man is this really helpful ?

Are you expecting me to have exact recordings of what he said 5 years ago 🙂

I can see Nahm still has a soft spot in your heart, God bless him.

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I was there the day before Nahm got banned, and I remember looking at something he wrote thinking, man is this really helpful ?

Non-duality is in this weird in-between position in that it could be simultaneously very helpful and not depending on how far you want to go for it. And it can actually help with quite a few many things. That's why you can throw it at things endlessly. And that can be annoying if you're not receptive or you keep seeing it being thrown at people and they're not receptive.

 

11 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Are you expecting me to have exact recordings of what he said 5 years ago 🙂

It's not like there is a Search function on the forum or you can look through Nahm's posts on his profile or anything. He has over 20k posts, surely you'll be able to find one problematic thing that you can support your "suffering" argument with.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Wilhelm44]

@Carl-Richard

I really don't care about it that much to sift through 20k posts.

Ulax, Inligtened1 had the same impression as me, and I'm sure there are others.

I'm done with this, you do you.

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Carl-Richard

I really don't care about it that much to sift through 20k posts.

Ulax, Inligtened1 had the same impression as me, and I'm sure there are others.

I'm done with this, you do you.

 

[Wilhelm44]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

🙃

[Natasha Tori Maru]

22 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

I want to push his head through a glass window.

Non-safety glass.

And the result will not be like the lies in the movies, where people take full glass curtains to the body - straight through - not a scratch. I'm talking I want to see that ball-chin shredded and dangling from ribbons of soft threaded skin, lacerated neck and the full force of a fountain of arterial jugular blood hydraulics in action. Painting the surrounding walls like a frenzied surrealist was let loose with a clean canvas and nothing but red paint.

My dick has entered the building. Let's fuck.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Wilhelm44]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

There is saying non-dual things in response to asking for life advice, and then there is actually giving bad life advice.

If he did give non-dual responses when people were asking for life advice (and I think he did that), yes, I think that can be annoying.

I just need to say one final thing here to clear up the apparent misunderstanding.

Clearly you're acknowledging that he did at times give nondual advice when people were looking for practical life advice.

The main point is simply this:       It's not helpful,  ie bad timing.

And this shows some lack of wisdom, that's all.

But you'll never acknowledge that in a million years 

[Sugarcoat]

I´ve realized (IMO) Actualized.org is more so intellectual than spiritual (including the community, that in particular actually).

It's much stronger in the intellectual capacity than spiritual. The trend in what topics are posted vs not reveal a lot. 

So much focus on "mind" and deconstruction, maybe it's because it appeals to people who are so much "in their mind". But then they keep going with that same talk, and even "God" is labelled with "mind", as if they haven't left that "mind space" nearly as much as they'd believe, so they see "mind" everywhere because they are themselves so much "in their minds"

Edited 58 minutes ago by Sugarcoat

[Carl-Richard]

19 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I want to push his head through a glass window.

Non-safety glass.

And the result will not be like the lies in the movies, where people take full glass curtains to the body - straight through - not a scratch. I'm talking I want to see that ball-chin shredded and dangling from ribbons of soft threaded skin, lacerated neck and the full force of a fountain of arterial jugular blood hydraulics in action. Painting the surrounding walls like a frenzied surrealist was let loose with a clean canvas and nothing but red paint.

My dick has entered the building. Let's fuck.

Haha woah 🫨

[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I´ve realized Actualized.org is more so intellectual than spiritual (including the community, that in particular actually).

It's much stronger in the intellectual capacity than spiritual. The trend in what topics are posted vs not reveal a lot. 

So much focus on "mind" and deconstruction, maybe it's because it appeals to people who are so much "in their mind". But then they keep going with that same talk, and even "God" is labelled with "mind", as if they haven't left that "mind space" nearly as much as they'd believe, so they see "mind" everywhere because they are themselves so much "in their minds"

Good observation. The Flowerfaery/New Age types are rare here🙂

Edited 55 minutes ago by Wilhelm44

[Carl-Richard]

55 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I just need to say one final thing here to clear up the apparent misunderstanding.

Clearly you're acknowledging that he did at times give nondual advice when people were looking for practical life advice.

The main point is simply this:       It's not helpful,  ie bad timing.

And this shows some lack of wisdom, that's all.

But you'll never acknowledge that in a million years 

Sometimes the best advice is the one you didn't think that you needed

Again, you're assuming a lot about each individual situation. Non-duality can be quite helpful. Or else he probably wouldn't have spammed it at seemingly every opportunity he could.

I personally like to pretend that entertaining people's delusions about them asking the correct questions that deserve an answer is a worthwhile game to play most of the time. But some don't.

Edited 12 minutes ago by Carl-Richard

[Wilhelm44]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Sometimes the best advice is the one you didn't think that you needed

Again, you're assuming a lot about each individual situation. Non-duality can be quite helpful. Or else he probably wouldn't have spammed it at seemingly every oppurtunity he could.

I personally like to pretend that entertaining people's delusions about them asking the correct questions that deserve an answer is a worthwhile game to play most of the time. But some don't.

What would be an example of nondual advice that's helpful, when someone is asking for practical life advice ?

[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Good observation. The Flowerfaery types are rare here🙂

Yea

I read she did Vipassana retreat at 22 years old, I wonder what those people critiquing her where doing at 22 years old? 

 People are strict in who could be considered "high conscious/spiritual" but then they lump all religion together and throw it all under the bus (kinda, just writing for simplicity sake), as if theres not enormous diversity possible there just as in spirituality, so they assume growing religiosity is automatically "regression" rather than "evolution" (referring to the critiques against her talking about her connection to Jesus)

Edited 45 minutes ago by Sugarcoat

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea

I read she did Vipassana retreat at 22 years old, I wonder what those people critiquing her where doing at 22 years old? 

 People are strict in who could be considered "high conscious/spiritual" but then they lump all religion together and throw it all under the bus (kinda, just writing for simplicity sake), as if theres not enormous diversity possible there just as in spirituality, so they assume growing religiosity is automatically "regression" rather than "evolution" (referring to the critiques against her talking about her connection to Jesus)

Most people here propably have a secular background, so connection with Christ consciousness etc will be rare. The church made Jesus an easy target lol.

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What would be an example of nondual advice that's helpful, when someone is asking for practical life advice ?

They could be at the right moment in their life where they are open to a non-dual epiphany and whatever they seem to be doing in their life doesn't really seem to be making them feel fulfilled anyway and they make that connection. The transition to non-duality is always in a sense orthogonal, so throwing it at almost all and any situation could be warranted based on that point alone.

I discovered non-duality when I was extremely dysfunctional and you would've probably argued I needed some kind of standard psychological intervention/teaching instead (and I was actually looking in that direction prior to that), but that didn't seem to change the fact that my life became quite different after that point.

[Sugarcoat]

19 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Most people here propably have a secular background, so connection with Christ consciousness etc will be rare. The church made Jesus an easy target lol.

I don't see background as that much of an issue in that regard. Mainstream christianity ≠ christ consciousness (whatever that is, but still), similar regarding spirituality.

I was about 10 years old when I told my priest "I don't believe in god". Just an example of how backround doesn't have to have that much of an impact on development, I see it more as: the way you are, will decide how much you are affected by your "background", rather than the reverse. Meaning, if you are strongly affected by your background, it's because of how you are (not so independent) that made that possible. So background "matters so much" if you are not so independent. 

So much nuance could be added but let me not write forever. You don't have to respond to me btw, I´m more so directing this generally, so its fine (maybe obvious but I still feel need to say it)

Edited 20 minutes ago by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

“Anything that seems strange to me is quackery or a cult”