Women are attracted to emotional guys

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Ulax said:

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If you mean that what is high-value in the context of female attraction isn't an objective status signal for men, then I agree. Whenever I say high-value guy I mean it in the context of what female attraction regards as a high-value guy.

I meant there are notions of value that tend to recur like money or beauty but high value depends a lot on the girl and her persona.

You might be boring to one woman and too intense for another and so on.

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course. Because women are emotional creatures. They don't care about anything else.

But still. They are attracted to raw masculinity too. They will sleep with stone-cold men just because of the masculine vibes. But then later they will regret it because that stone-cold guy will not be capable of intimacy, which she truly craves.

Who women sleep with and who they stay with are different things. They will sleep with a Terminator but he's not boyfriend material.

Women are looking for a paradox: a stone-cold guy who is also very intimate and emotionally stimulating.

I get what you're saying about women being emotional creatures. 

However, I'd push back on them not caring about anything else. Because what causes them to be highly emotional in a way that leads to sex is perceiving a guy as high-value and trusting him (enough). So, really the emotions are a consequence of the image she has of the guy in her mind. 

[Ulax]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

I meant there are notions of value that tend to recur like money or beauty but high value depends a lot on the girl and her persona.

You might be boring to one woman and too intense for another and so on.

I agree. That's why I included the life experiences/ social conditioning parts in my description of high-value. I'll also add present life circumstances too. For example, that will affect her mood. So, high-value to her could change day to day. But the core of what counts as high-value will always be there.

[Ulax]

37 minutes ago, Raze said:

Except they’d be more likely to sleep with the emotional guy and regret it because he’s exiting but unpredictable. The masculine guy would be more logical and mature.

Pick up theory would push agree with the more likely to sleep with part but disagree with the it being more mature part.

Because it says women psychology has 3 camps for men. Non-sex worthy, provider, lover. Non-sex worthy is rejection. Provider is highest value guy i can get who will actually protect me and raise kids well. Lover is the best genetics guy, idea being she could get his genes and then get the provider to raise the kids.

She's more likely to sleep with lover because she just wants bro's genes. But in terms of mating strategy its not necessarily immature for her to sleep with the lover category guy because she gets the good genes she was after from the lover.

This theory is also in the book Sperm Wars.

[Schizophonia]

10 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I agree. That's why I included the life experiences/ social conditioning parts in my description of high-value. I'll also add present life circumstances too.

For example, that will affect her mood. So, high-value to her could change day to day. But the core of what counts as high-value will always be there.

 

What most strongly generates vibes of social dominance (and thus charisma) is authenticity.

If one is prepared to be polarizing—because one is rejected by people with different survival strategies...

Indeed, women's moods vary significantly depending on the time and their hormonal fluctuations.

 

The other day I was talking to a colleague whose best friend decided on a whim to stop speaking to her, simply because she was frustrated with her romantic relationship.

Lol women.

takes a sip of beer

[Leo Gura]

High value according to what women need to survive.

Women are not so original that they all need something different to survive. They all need the same basic things, which is why they chase after the same top guys.

Figure out what women need to survive that they can't provide for themselves and you will know what they're attracted to. Nothing creative is going on here.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Ulax]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

 

What most strongly generates vibes of social dominance (and thus charisma) is authenticity.

If one is prepared to be polarizing—because one is rejected by people with different survival strategies...

Indeed, women's moods vary significantly depending on the time and their hormonal fluctuations.

 

The other day I was talking to a colleague whose best friend decided on a whim to stop speaking to her, simply because she was frustrated with her romantic relationship.

Lol women.

takes a sip of beer

I would moderately agree with that. Social dominance is definitely a core high-value trait for women, and being prepared to be polarising is more likely to lead to attraction.

The disagreement is that the value provided by the authenticity can also be undermined if the authenticity implies a non-high value trait. For example, if i tell a girl "I love being homeless. Its great." (assuming she doesnt think im joking) you'll get value from being able to go against social norms (implies you're strong enough to do so, or have had positive experiences doing so in past). But you'll lower your value because of how she likely perceives being homeless (incompetent, low social status). So, I'd say being authentic from a place of high-value is much more effective.

Also, a minor one is its about her perception that you are prepared to be polarising, not that you prepared to be polarising. 

[Schizophonia]

26 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I would moderately agree with that. Social dominance is definitely a core high-value trait for women, and being prepared to be polarising is more likely to lead to attraction.

The disagreement is that the value provided by the authenticity can also be undermined if the authenticity implies a non-high value trait. For example, if i tell a girl "I love being homeless. Its great." (assuming she doesnt think im joking) you'll get value from being able to go against social norms (implies you're strong enough to do so, or have had positive experiences doing so in past). But you'll lower your value because of how she likely perceives being homeless (incompetent, low social status). So, I'd say being authentic from a place of high-value is much more effective.

Also, a minor one is its about her perception that you are prepared to be polarising, not that you prepared to be polarising. 

You’ll gain value in the eyes of girls who like being homeless (yes that’s a thing I’ve actually seen one lol) but lose it with those who have a different survival strategy, who are in an opposed egregor.

But you aren’t actually attractive if you’re lukewarm, try to please everyone more or less; you basically end up simping lol. So you might as well be polarizing.

[AION]

A lot of very rational approaches to an un-rational sex in this thread. Most women don’t chase what they need in terms of survival. That is why a lot of the times  they choose the wrong guys.
 

Women don’t chose rational since sex is not a rational thing for them.  Women chose based on their unresolved shadow material!! So basically you have to play mind games. 
 

In this thread there a lot of good posts but all of them leave out how important the age of a women is and how that influences her decision making which is a second thing. 

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[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, AION said:

Most women don’t chase what they need in terms of survival. That is why a lot of the times  they choose the wrong guys.

Animals are easy to trap. A mouse chases cheese and gets itself trapped.

Being hard to trap requires consciousness. Which women are not applying to dating. (speaking generally)

Edited 29 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[AION]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Animals are easy to trap. A mouse chases cheese and gets itself trapped.

Being hard to trap requires consciousness. Which women are not at all applying to dating.

In that case this forum is a rat forum because any time I bless this forum with my words I get angry warning or angry mods of some sort. 

[Leo Gura]

42 minutes ago, AION said:

because any time I bless this forum with my words

Maybe your farts don't smell as good as you tell yourself.

If a Mod here is angry at you, you are probably misbehaving, but too arrogant to see it.

Edited 44 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Ulax]

48 minutes ago, AION said:

In that case this forum is a rat forum because any time I bless this forum with my words I get angry warning or angry mods of some sort. 

So sassy 😂

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

My opinion is they are attracted to high-value guys who's value they see as relatable and attainable. Or you can also say trust instead of R&A.

Value is mainly determined by what made sense in caveman time as value. And then life experiences/ social conditioning adds a unique twist to what value ultimately looks like for the girl.

Examples of cavemen value are:

- Competence, power & influence, social status

And things like humor are attractive in so far as they imply you have one of these caveman values. I.e. humor implies competence of intelligence. Further its an honest signal you're relaxed enough to have fun which implies social status and competence, as if you had had terrible social experiences you wouldn't be relaxed enough to be humorous, or feel safe enough to attempt it.

Trust works the same as value in this way.

But these emotional things you describe I'd mainly class as in the trust part of the equation.

And, these emotional things you list only make her happy if they see him as a high-value guy who they trust. So, if she smiles receiving a flower, she isn't smiling because its romantic. Its because its a positive thing occurring between her and a high-value guy who she trusts, or she's smiling because its bumping the trust levels up.

I don’t disagree that much with you . Of course the foundation of attraction is that the masculine seeks the feminine and the feminine seeks the masculine because each party lacks precisely the qualities which the other party possess. This one is obvious.
I disagree with you about claiming that what is “high value “ man to a woman in this era is simply the same things that were considered high value during cavemen times . As human society evolved to what we are witnessing today obviously the standards for attractiveness and its diversity  has evolved. For example no attractive woman nowadays will ever get attracted to a caveman looking guy ..women actually care about physical appearance. You have to be well groomed and hygiened and you have to be casual and cool and open minded ..not some caveman gorilla dude with toxic masculinity.

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[Zenterus]

4 hours ago, bazera said:

So, as a guy, what should you be prioritizing when learning how to attract feminine girls? 

Becoming more musculine, or getting in touch with your emotional and humorous side, developing capacities to be emotionally intimate with a woman.

I guess both.

Both. Since most men, generally speaking, have been indoctrinated into people pleasing and being ashamed of their sexuality and dominance, it is better to develop those traits first and foremost. Once you have a sufficient dose of those and you can attract women with them, then it makes sense to focus on your softer side as well (although, in my experience, those softer traits develop naturally the longer you spend around women who you have a deep bond to.)

[Leo Gura]

You need the skill of talking and charisma to do good with women.

Edited 4 minutes ago by Leo Gura