How do NDEs fit into Leo's framework?

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Loveeee said:

@Leo Gura Don't you find it weird to be stuck like that with health problems and all that until you die? Would you wish that upon yourself?

Truth is Truth. There is no changing it. God is forever stuck dreaming. Awakening is about surrender, not manipulating Reality.

Find a way to be happy with what is.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Davino]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A normie certianly would be too afraid and clueless to choose it. The question is, Will it be forced on them anyway via death?

That's my question too. Could "final" death be the safety net for God to Awaken? I really don't know

[Clarence]

4 hours ago, Hojo said:

There wont be guidance, everything in life is a qualiataive state  How many qualiative states have you been guided through?

death will come and can come at any second. There wont be guidance through it its a state you must become.

There is guidance in many different ways, even if you're not conscious of it. It just becomes much clearer after you die.

I'm not really talking about the transition between life and death. That part is rather quick. It happens in an instant. In most cases, you'll be prepared for it, just as you prepared yourself to come here.

4 hours ago, Hojo said:

Dyings like falling in a hole thats so deep you can fall asleep and wake up and still be falling.

Weeks go by you are gaining and losing awareness in a falling void. 

Become falling, not a person falling or suffer.

There's no fall, unless you imagine there is one. Whatever you imagine could take place, so be careful about what you imagine after you die.

Death is much closer to going home than to some unknown territory.

You'll recognize that state once you're in it, since that's what you were before you were born, and that's what you've been for eternity. You made the choice to forget when you came here, and you obviously also forgot that you made that choice.

Personally, I have some concerns about the people I'd leave behind, and I don't feel it's time for me to leave yet. But I don't fear death. If I were to die tomorrow, I am ready to go.

Life is the hard part, not death.

[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Truth is Truth. There is no changing it. God is forever stuck dreaming. Awakening is about surrender, not manipulating Reality.

Find a way to be happy with what is.

Isn't manipulating reality all we do, achieving some state of reality, whether you're cooking food or awakening 

As you said multiple times, once you awaken you realize everything was perfectly designed by you for you to awaken, I'm just wondering why stop there

Clearly God wants, and it wants to awaken, why? Because it's good? All I'm saying is I want more goodies 

[Inliytened1]

On 7/9/2026 at 2:05 AM, Leo Gura said:

It doesn't have to mean that, but it depends on how you want to define terms.

I suggest you contemplate what death is.

Just explain to them that there will always be something. There will always be existence.   You're here right? Imagining you aren't here is just that. Imagination 

[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

You probably lived already 100 million lives where you were super rich, had everything you ever wanted to, were healthy, fucking 10/10 girls everyday on yatchs, etc.

Now, after 100 million such lives, wouldn't you want to know how it is to live a life with a bit more difficulties? So you decided to incarnate another 100 million lives where you had it relatively easy, but with some challenges and unknowns. Maybe some minor health issues, money issues, just to see what it's like.

And after all of these lives, you would probably get bored again, and you would think thing like, how is living a life where you get cancer at 20 years old? Now that's something else.

This is the power of infinity. 100 million lives is still nothing compared to infinity.

None of that is even relatively real, I'm imagining time in the now and I'm not even imagining that 

What I'm looking for though is a way to tap into that divine imagination 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Loveeee said:

None of that is even relatively real, I'm imagining time in the now and I'm not even imagining that 

What I'm looking for though is a way to tap into that divine imagination 

You already have with this creation you fool. 

[Loveeee]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You already have with this creation you fool. 

I happen to be imagining that I'm not imagining, that I'm powerless 

I want to unimagine that to some extent

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I happen to be imagining that I'm not imagining, that I'm powerless 

I want to unimagine that to some extent

You can't or Loveeee would evaporate. Where you fucked up as God is that you got attached. But that's not a fuck up.  Its the only way anything could be real.

Edited 3 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You can't or Loveeee would evaporate. 

Like when I trip, and the deeper I go the more interactive it gets, let's go deeper 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Like when I trip, and the deeper I go the more interactive it gets, let's go deeper 

You wont come back. You'll be like Connor. Do you want that? I don't.  I'm not ready.  When you are ready you must be ready to give this world completely up and dream something up entirely new.  I guess I just fell too in love. And so did you.  Also we created our egos so that it wouldn't be very easy to break out of this dream 

Edited 3 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Loveeee]

13 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You wont come back. You'll be like Connor. Do you want that? I don't.  I'm not ready.  When you are ready you must be ready to give this world completely up and dream something up entirely new.  I guess I just fell too in love. And so did you.  Also we created our egos so that it wouldn't be very easy to break out of this dream 

I mean there's nothing to come back to but nothing prevents you from dreaming this back

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I mean there's nothing to come back to but nothing prevents you from dreaming this back

True. But that's like saying I'll be LeBron James  infinity always keeps it open  but at the end of the day you just have to be happy within yourself that is all that matters 

Edited 3 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Loveeee]

41 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

True. But that's like saying I'll be LeBron James  infinity always keeps it open  but at the end of the day you just have to be happy within yourself that is all that matters 

Awakening too seems out of reach until it doesn't 

It just doesn't make sense for God to settle for this, would you?

Edited 2 hours ago by Loveeee

[gettoefl]

47 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Awakening too seems out of reach until it doesn't 

It just doesn't make sense for God to settle for this, would you?

God makes sure here is pretty shit. Mixed in with some pretty good. God does this so you won't settle here. Your job is to get out of here alive. But take your time. Enjoy the pretty good. Here is finitely fine. Home is infinitely good. After you go home, you will chill then set up another million incarnations to play with. And so it goes.