Martin Ball about staying symmetrical on 5-MeO

[Loveeee]

What do you think of this?

《 In this video I get into the topic of embodied nondual energetics with 5-MeO-DMT, and more specifically, how the ego is most often embodied through physical asymmetries and how, in the ego-dissolved nondual state, the body spontaneously exhibits bilateral symmetry. Because of this fundamental difference, individuals can intentionally use embodied symmetry to lessen the persistent energetic patterning of the ego, decrease the likelihood of the ego holding on, resisting, and fighting, and more effectively move into the nondual state beyond the apparent separation of subject and object and the appearance of the character of the individuated self. Because this approach is so effective, it provides direct evidence that nondual states of being are more properly understood as energetic in nature than relating to "spirituality," beliefs, metaphysics, or anything that isn't immediately embodied and experienced directly in one's being. No spirituality is needed, no complex metaphysics - just awareness of how the body is expressing energy and a persistent return to the "neutral position" of open, relaxed, bilateral symmetry. This also provides a lens through which one can assess participants' ability to relax, trust, and let go, and gives facilitators tools for coaching, feedback, and helping their clients to maximize the nondual potential of the 5-MeO-DMT experience.

Once you learn this distinction between symmetry and asymmetry, it holds the power to revolutionize the way you approach embodied energetics and is applicable across all psychedelic medicines and embodied life in general outside of any psychedelic sessions. 

Symmetry is THE KEY! 》

[Leo Gura]

Has never been any issue for me.

[Davino]

I never got much value from his books and videos, but the concept of body symmetry did help me.

Being on high psychedelic states all tied up in a knot, legs and arms crossed, spine twisted; it's just not a good idea. Being symmetrical helps with the energetic flow. Being open, symmetrical, relaxed, and in balance is important.

It also helps to detect when ego comes back, for example you are contemplating and suddenly after a question your body starts closing down, look closely there's something to be learned there, come back to symmetry, relax and keep contemplating.

It's overall a nice practice to have in mind when tripping, it's a good tool to know.

Edited Sunday at 09:35 AM by Davino

[Davino]

@Loveeee Have you gotten interesting tips from Martin Ball that helped you tripping?

[Loveeee]

14 hours ago, Davino said:

@Loveeee Have you gotten interesting tips from Martin Ball that helped you tripping?

I'm just starting with his content as I'm now going deep with 5-MeO

[Loveeee]

14 hours ago, Davino said:

the energetic flow

What do you mean by energetic flow? Martin talks about energy a lot and I can relate somehow but what are we talking about

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

Something strange has happened to me after doing 5 meo and nndmt hundreds of times:  I can't visualize anything in my mind. That is, if I want to imagine my car, I know that somewhere in my mind there's a file called "my car," and that's enough, but I don't see anything at all. The same thing happens with nndmt; zero images even with huge dose. It's not something I miss; in fact, my mind is infinitely better than before, but it's strange.

[Jodistrict]

I am skeptical of one-size-fits-all solutions.   I could see that potentially being harmful if a facilitator pushes a client toward symmetry when the body is doing what is needs to do.  

[Davino]

On 29/6/2026 at 1:57 AM, Loveeee said:

What do you mean by energetic flow? Martin talks about energy a lot and I can relate somehow but what are we talking about

I wouldn't know how to give a proper formal definition to 'energy' or 'body energy'

It's something you feel in the body, when energy is not flowing it feels like a knot or tension, when energy flows it feels like a river, open and relaxed, aligned and balanced.

[Davino]

On 29/6/2026 at 4:43 AM, Jodistrict said:

I am skeptical of one-size-fits-all solutions.   I could see that potentially being harmful if a facilitator pushes a client toward symmetry when the body is doing what is needs to do.  

It's just a good rule of thumb, if you are an advanced yogi you can push the opposite of your current asymmetries to reach a very quick balance.

So if normally you are at 2, instead of going to 0 and wait slowly to reach equilibrium, you may go to the -2 asymmetry and then reach quicker 0 balance. Sometimes in very high states of consciousness the body does this spontaneously, it naturally feels good.

For newbies it's just good, if you don't know what to do better to stay in symmetry, it's a no-brainer. If you have an intuition maybe follow it surely, it could be higher balancing intelligence.

[OBEler]

@Breakingthewall before doing drugs you could visualize in your mind things and after drugs you developed aphantasia(the inability to create images in your mind)? 

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Breakingthewall before doing drugs you could visualize in your mind things and after drugs you developed aphantasia(the inability to create images in your mind)? 

I'd say yes. I don't remember exactly if I used to see images clearly, but I read a lot of fiction before, and I'd say I did. What's certain is that after taking 2g of mushrooms, I saw incredibly realistic and vivid images, trees with phosphorescent leaves and things like that, and now I see absolutely nothing.

Another detail is that before, on a Mensa-type test, I scored over 147, and I could get the Raven's Progressive Matrices in 20 minutes with only one mistake, and now I don't get past 120. But I haven't gotten any dumber; quite the opposite. Now I see human dynamics several levels deeper, my attention to reality is many orders of magnitude greater, but reading a novel seems impossible to me; I have no interest whatsoever (I used to read one a week). Watching a movie is the same.

It's as if the mind shifts from the symbolic to the real, and with that, you lose your IQ for raw calculation and your ability to visualize objects in exchange for the dissolution of the barrier between the psyche and actual experience.

[Breakingthewall]

On 29/6/2026 at 1:57 AM, Loveeee said:

What do you mean by energetic flow? Martin talks about energy a lot and I can relate somehow but what are we talking about

 

 

5-MeO is a drug that affects the energy system; it's not a mental thing. A total liberation is a release of your energy blockages. I remember once vaping 15mg and there was no total release, and I felt pain in my hands and feet. Then, a muscle in one of my legs started vibrating periodically, quite annoying for two days.

I wasn't sure if it was related. The second night, in bed, I was vibrating a lot, and I concentrated on releasing energy. I felt a very strong tremor throughout my body in several waves. I concentrated, and my body vibrated. I visualized energy leaving my body. Then there was a much more intense vibration, and the muscle tremor disappeared completely.

5meo done a lot of times will change your energetic configuration for ever. You need to understand that you have to let go everything, if not you could get sick. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Davino]

47 minutes ago, OBEler said:

before doing drugs you could visualize in your mind things and after drugs you developed aphantasia(the inability to create images in your mind)? 

I have to say that I've experienced something similar. In the past I used to heavily daydream, creating worlds of phantasy in my mind. However now, being so grounded and present in my experience has somehow taken out that ability from me.

[Schizophonia]

53 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'd say yes. I don't remember exactly if I used to see images clearly, but I read a lot of fiction before, and I'd say I did. What's certain is that after taking 2g of mushrooms, I saw incredibly realistic and vivid images, trees with phosphorescent leaves and things like that, and now I see absolutely nothing.

Another detail is that before, on a Mensa-type test, I scored over 147, and I could get the Raven's Progressive Matrices in 20 minutes with only one mistake, and now I don't get past 120. But I haven't gotten any dumber; quite the opposite. Now I see human dynamics several levels deeper, my attention to reality is many orders of magnitude greater, but reading a novel seems impossible to me; I have no interest whatsoever (I used to read one a week). Watching a movie is the same.

It's as if the mind shifts from the symbolic to the real, and with that, you lose your IQ for raw calculation and your ability to visualize objects in exchange for the dissolution of the barrier between the psyche and actual experience.

I have the same thing.

I knew i wasn't just lazy and brain damaged

Edited 3 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

On a more serious note it’s true that as we open up to a higher degree of holism we naturally lose interest in pretentious things in favor of simpler ones.

Even with Ken Wilber for instance I now get the impression he’s just stating simple things but dragging them out tediously, and that’s not even mentioning the classical philosophers.

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I have the same thing.

I knew i wasn't just lazy and brain damaged

What do you mean? For me 5 meo improved my brain dramatically 

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Schizophonia]

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What do you mean? For me 5 meo improved my brain dramatically 

By manifesting a larger brain we lose a less holistic form of intelligence; for instance as humans we no longer know how to produce ATP it has become an automated process. We no longer even know how to survive in the wild.

And now I’m also less interested in movies, books and the like because they seem more insignificant to me. I prefer walking in nature while I think, talking to people, or playing sports.
 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

And now I’m also less interested in movies, books and the like because they seem more insignificant to me. I prefer walking in nature while I think, talking to people, or playing sports.

Exactly, real things, not evasion