holy shit it's all a dream, i am all alone. I awoken.

[Ziran]

2 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Ziran Think of it like this: the people who are gonna help you, are fictional characters just like in a video game. They don't have subjective experiences or real inner lives or bubbles of their own. 

Most people lose consciousness immediately following a car crash.   And then, others who are conscious, will take the injured and put them back together.  If those others were fictional characters, then, when the victim in a crash loses consciousness, no one would come to help them. 

[Majed]

@Ziran what really happens is a shift in dreams. The dream as you know it ceases then it rebegin from another perspective, you could call it a new dream. You're imagining or dreaming others in both dreams. 

[Ziran]

Just now, Majed said:

@Ziran what really happens is a shift in dreams. The dream as you know it ceases then it rebegin from another perspective, you could call it a new dream. You're imagining or dreaming others in both dreams. 

Lacking consciousness, what is starting the new dream? 

[Majed]

@Ziran you never lacked consciousness. You just shifted in dreams. Others telling you you lacked consciousness is part of the new dream, don't you see ?

Edited yesterday at 12:42 PM by Majed

[Ziran]

1 hour ago, Majed said:

@Ziran you never lacked consciousness. You just shifted in dreams. Others telling you you lacked consciousness is part of the new dream, don't you see ?

It's, at least, equally plausible that the others helped.  Can we agree here?

Edited yesterday at 02:29 PM by Ziran

[Majed]

@Ziran No because you're assuming others helped, when the reality is that it is a shift in dreams, and you can become directly conscious of that.

[Ziran]

Just now, Majed said:

@Ziran No because you're assuming others helped, when the reality is that it is a shift in dreams, and you can become directly conscious of that.

... and in like manner one can become directly conscious of the others helping.

 

[Majed]

@Ziran No what you become directly conscious of is that that is an assumption.

[Ziran]

1 minute ago, Majed said:

@Ziran No what you become directly conscious of is that that is an assumption.

What if there's different types of consciousness? 

( One is a narrowing consciousness, and another is expanding consciousness.  It's like looking compared to listening.  Looking is narrowing.  Listening is expanding.  Both are happening simultaneously. )

 

[Yimpa]

16 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

What changed about the quality of your experience?

More Joy Baby 

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Majed said:

@Sugarcoat Life literally feels like a dream, i'm not kidding. It's like it changed my entire life. Although some existential depression comes with it for i feel a bit disillusioned from the illusion of other. It take an enormous deal of maturity and wisdom to live experiencing life as a dream, and knowing you're the only one in existence. Life feels pointless and meaningless, i think i finally reached the unitive stage of ego development.

Why do you assume, that the dream quality to your experience is proof of others lack of personal experience? What if that “dream” quality is simply your current point of view, it doesn’t say anything about others point of view. I can say this as someone who has had all kinds of shifts in the quality of my experience 

[Majed]

@Sugarcoat Because i literally mean it's a dream. The people in your dreams are fictional characters, they do not exist on their own outside your dream. You are dreaming them up. 

[Yimpa]

16 minutes ago, Majed said:

Because i literally mean it's a dream. The people in your dreams are fictional characters

 

[Sugarcoat]

26 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Sugarcoat Because i literally mean it's a dream. The people in your dreams are fictional characters, they do not exist on their own outside your dream. You are dreaming them up. 

But you can “dream them up” and they can “exist on their own” at the same time. Those two don’t contradict each other. What I mean is, whatever you are experiencing from your “pov” is its own thing, and their pov is its own thing too. You act like your experience is proof of how reality works or something 

[Majed]

@Sugarcoat What you wrote is immaturity, it doesn't see clearly what's going on. Even the idea that others have their own bubbles is inside your mind, and need to be looked at for what it is. Once that is done, a recontextualization will happen, where you realize they are fictional characters within a meaningless pointless dream. That's it. That's reality. When i say a dream i literraly mean it. It's not a metaphor or to be cute. When you dream at night and then you wake up, boom others are gone, because you were dreaming them up in the first place. There's only you that's still there, their bubbles never existed, even though in your dream you believed they had bubbles. That's what spiritual awakening is like: a recontextualization of what's going on, as a pointless meaningless dream, where others do not exist outside your own mind. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Majed

[Dazgwny]

Had an insight about this. No actually more of a memory from an awakening, but an insight non the less because it was like a light going flicking on. A total memory from when I was totally conscious. You’re wrong by the way majed. I know it can seem like what you’re saying. It totally seems like what you’re saying. But you must go deeper. So yes it’s all you.! But what you havnt grasped, is it’s not quite like that nightly dream. One bubble. You think that it’s you the little human and it’s bubble. It’s not. What it is, is the one bubble, that contains all bubbles. That one bubble can morph and change into any bubble. So my bubble is your bubble. Just a different scene. In the same way your bubble when you were 10 is the same bubble as whatever it is now. Imagine that bubble changing into my bubble, in the same way yours has changed from 10 years old to now. It’s morphed, an a fluid manner. Ever so slowly but that’s all it’s doing, morphing, at a particular rate. It’s morphing through states. Because states is all there is. From micro second to micro second your state is changing. Morphing. If you literally entered the exact state I am in now, exact, then returned to the state your in now, you would literally flicker into my reality, you would become me, then return to being you. You would think you had become mad. The thing with a life is that the changes are so subtle, that it seems like your moving through a life, through time. But this just isn’t what’s happening. I could write a book on just this subject and not explain it all that’s how deep this shit goes. Remember, that every single state, and states are infinite, have a complete thing to them. That means one single state that only lasts a second, less, has a complete backstory to it. So if you enter my exact state now, that has my entire life and backstory to it. You could enter it for just 1 second and feel like you’ve lived my entire life for more than 40 years. And that’s just the start of it. This stuff goes so deep that if you actually start going down this rabbit hole you’ll shit yourself and wish you never did. The bubble explanation is just a nice way of framing it, an easy way, a way to try help a normie to begin to understand. Believe you me, there is no bubble, that bubble your thinking of is infinite, it goes on forever, in all directions, even directions you can not comprehend. What you think you’ve understood is nice, because your comparing life to a dream. In a sense it is, but dive deeper and you’ll be totally mortified. @Leo Gura agree?