holy shit it's all a dream, i am all alone. I awoken.

[Ziran]

2 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Ziran Think of it like this: the people who are gonna help you, are fictional characters just like in a video game. They don't have subjective experiences or real inner lives or bubbles of their own. 

Most people lose consciousness immediately following a car crash.   And then, others who are conscious, will take the injured and put them back together.  If those others were fictional characters, then, when the victim in a crash loses consciousness, no one would come to help them. 

[Majed]

@Ziran what really happens is a shift in dreams. The dream as you know it ceases then it rebegin from another perspective, you could call it a new dream. You're imagining or dreaming others in both dreams. 

[Ziran]

Just now, Majed said:

@Ziran what really happens is a shift in dreams. The dream as you know it ceases then it rebegin from another perspective, you could call it a new dream. You're imagining or dreaming others in both dreams. 

Lacking consciousness, what is starting the new dream? 

[Majed]

@Ziran you never lacked consciousness. You just shifted in dreams. Others telling you you lacked consciousness is part of the new dream, don't you see ?

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[Ziran]

1 hour ago, Majed said:

@Ziran you never lacked consciousness. You just shifted in dreams. Others telling you you lacked consciousness is part of the new dream, don't you see ?

It's, at least, equally plausible that the others helped.  Can we agree here?

Edited 2 hours ago by Ziran

[Majed]

@Ziran No because you're assuming others helped, when the reality is that it is a shift in dreams, and you can become directly conscious of that.

[Ziran]

Just now, Majed said:

@Ziran No because you're assuming others helped, when the reality is that it is a shift in dreams, and you can become directly conscious of that.

... and in like manner one can become directly conscious of the others helping.

 

[Majed]

@Ziran No what you become directly conscious of is that that is an assumption.

[Ziran]

1 minute ago, Majed said:

@Ziran No what you become directly conscious of is that that is an assumption.

What if there's different types of consciousness? 

( One is a narrowing consciousness, and another is expanding consciousness.  It's like looking compared to listening.  Looking is narrowing.  Listening is expanding.  Both are happening simultaneously. )