Let’s Take Looksmaxxing Seriously

[Hojo]

@LordFall grooming yourself isnt looks maxing. Thats just regular activity. There's no difference between pictures besides you shaves and took your glasses off and now milfs ate suddenly kicking their lips at you.

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[LordFall]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@LordFall grooming yourself isnt looks maxing. Thats just regular activity. There's no difference between pictures besides you shaves and took your glasses off and now milfs ate suddenly kicking their lips at you.

Sure it is, I see plenty of dudes with unkept facial hair walking down the street.

I also have better style hair in that 2nd picture

The glasses are particularly not great since they are bulky and reduce my facial symmetry. The grey contacts seem to do me well but mileage may vary based on individuals. I got the tip from when I was living with a male stripper in Toronto. 

The jewelry draws attention to me more than having a more bland style.

The shirt is more form fitting.

You don't have to get surgeries to looksmax already by dressing better and optimizing accessories, hairstyle and facial hair will raise most guys by like 2 points. Then the fitness as I mentioned is a big part of it. Surgeries you can go off the wall and do stuff that some will say makes you look worse like Clavicular and his recent nose job. 

 

 

[Hojo]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I get the sense that people who feel strong need to point out the importance of these things, is because they dont have strong enough desire to genuinely want to do it for themselves. So it’s like you’re also in a way trying to convince yourself of the importance of this when writing about it . If you genuinely wanted to go to barber shop and get nice haircut regardless, would you really feel need to write this long text about it
 

Also you won’t look better than the healthiest version of yourself and that includes health on all levels meaning also inner state (because it will have effect on cellular level) Rest is just modifications and enhancement, for example make up is not how one actually looks . So actually “looks-maxing” in its basis is quite natural and healthy

Looksmaxxing is for other people. Thats why it dosent work

 Its people pleasing to the point of self mutilation.

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[LordFall]

Yes and dating  and sex involve other people. It's kind of the point, you make yourself more attractive to more mates to improve your reproduction and sexual access odds. There is a difference between strategic self-optimization to meet your own goals vs neurotic people pleasing. I think people pleasing involves changing yourself to fit someone else's goal as opposed to meeting an authentic desire that you have. You should probably want to be an attractive male that women wanna fuck. 

Sometimes the results can seem subtle but it makes a big difference. Just shows that you're self-awareness and understand society and the world around you. This is a good series to watch to see examples. If you do a lot of cold approach you see right away the difference in how people treat you based on how you look. 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by LordFall

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Yimpa said:

LOOOL

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Shrek is a true lesson in masculinity. He saves the princess when the prince is too afraid to do it. True alpha male. 

[integral]

Its effortless to looksmax as a dude, dress well and shower, good posture, go to the gym for 2+ years.

Dial in basic self-development concepts.

Believe it's Child's Play and it will effort to lose so they be done

Edited 6 hours ago by integral

[integral]

4 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Why are looks important? Simply put, we evaluate people’s attractiveness almost instantly, as a biologically ingrained mechanism.

Try vibemaxxing. walk vibe, talk vibe, be vibe.

They will be attracted you just by your eye contact and micro facial expressions, tone of voice, how you carry yourself.

Why is dancing so attractive? Vibemaxxing.

Edited 6 hours ago by integral

[integral]

4 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Leo is 6’2

This had 0 impact. It took him years of non-stop pickup to get 1 date.

Leo said his top pickup buddy was 5'4 and ABSOLUTLY KILLED IT.

They didnt stand a chance. His vibe was illigal.

Edited 6 hours ago by integral

[integral]

When i go on a frist date I take some mushrooms beforehand to maximize vibe and to spike performance. 

People drink Alcohol just to get vibe, thats the whole point

The best Vibe is the outward expression of how you inwardly feel, and people are hyper sensitive to it

Edited 6 hours ago by integral

[LordFall]

I've never tried shrooms that's wild. Sometimes I try to game with high on weed but it's too intense for me. I'm sensitive to it and then I get awakening experiences walking down the street and my own consciousness looking at me through random women it's quite anxiety inducing. 

It doesn't really have to do with looksmaxxing but understanding your MBTI type and how it relates to dating is so important. Anything extroverted is gonna be not too hard and the more introverted you are the more disconnected you are from people so it's gonna be harder. I'm an INTP so I got it on veteran mode but the levels of game I'm starting to unlock are pretty interesting so I don't really think there is a worst type just more effort you'll have to put in. 

[bazera]

Isn't taking care of your looks a no-brainer when it comes to dating? 

Losing weight, becoming fit, proper grooming, buying clothes that fit, fixing teeth maybe, etc. 

Why are we framing that as "looksmaxxing"?

I don't like this idea of maxxing because what are you maxing towards? Some Clavicular ideal? 

[LordFall]

I mean it's straight forward you're maximizing your potential. I don't know if you guys are being intellectually honest here, what percentage of men do you guys know that are as fit as they can be, have a top tier fashion, have a unique style that gives them sex appeal? That's like easily less than 5% of dudes I meet and I live in Montreal and lived in Toronto which are supposed to be pretty cosmopolitan. In Calgary it was like 2% at best. 

Have you been guys been to a nightclub recently or walked down a street? You guys really think dudes look as good as they could? That's not even to speak of the dudes that look like they came from 2002 and/or their mom dressed them which is like easily 20% of men. It's also summer, there are pool bars and beaches. If you look like a chump that's gonna hurt your chances. 

Just in the first 30 seconds of this I got a dude wearing a blue and red disaster that looks like a warning sign, asian bro wearing a shirt 2 sizes too big for him and indian bro looking like his dad. Like if you don't cold approach you might think this stuff doesn't make a difference if you're just thinking about it in your head but talk to real women in the street or at events and it makes a big difference. If you got great game you can handle handicaps but especially if you're going after attractive women that have options every part where you're uncalibrated works against you. 

I ran a podcast where the whole point was talking to women about their dating lives and basically all of them had trouble finding men they were attracted to and were shocked men were this clueless. Are you guys observing the opinions you have about dating in real life or it's just like theories that you think might be true? 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by LordFall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

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I mean it's straight forward you're maximizing your potential

Is it straight forward? 

How far do you take this?

Does everyone need to value this?

Where are diminishing returns taking affect?

How does substance work into this? 

How do you know your potential?

What markers indicate when you cap potential?

What are the limits to just appearance having an effect on reality?

Does this affect anything other than base impression and treatment?

How do you qualify it's direct, causative affect on outcome? 

What does it affect? How long for? 

What is this doing psychologically, if potential is limitless? 

When does seeking become anxiety? 

How do you know when to stop? 

How do you determine how much effort to put in? 

How much resources should go to this endeavour?

I can think of more. 

So, is it straightforward? 

Love the process. Not the outcome. Otherwise it's an endless desire loop that can breed dissatisfaction with the now. With being. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[LordFall]

It's a good point I like the idea of lifemaxxing in general, looks is just a small part of maximizing your dating life. I think everyone should write down a page of their dream life and then work towards it. If you're feeling like you're getting good response from the people that you really wanna date then great you probably focus on looks less. Most of it is like science you make a theory and go test it. It seems people get stuck at the theory part and never test it because it hurts to fall short of your own ideals. The only way to reach them is to go out there and try and fail and improve on your thesis and try again. So many dudes think they can get hot women if they tried and it will crush them to get rejected but it's not personal it's just a market.

What in your life is gonna be more important than your dating life apart from your career/business/life purpose? If you're happily in a relationship then obv looksmaxxing is less important but even then plenty of relationships that end up in a deadbedroom because one or both partners let themselves go. People think self-improvement ends when you start dating someone but in a lot of ways that's the start of your problems. It's also a positive flywheel, if you workout, your partner/members of the opposite sex start liking you, you start caring about life more, you then put more efforts in those areas.

Looks are also just the most immediate factor in appearance and presentation. Then you fall into one of my favorites, statusmaxxing. Now people are gonna say status is shallow. How dumb, our whole society is based on it and a lot of it are honest signals of competence and value you're offering to the social groups you're in and society as a whole. 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by LordFall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LordFall You have a solid amount of life experience and attending to what is relevant and highest priority - so this naturally means you have the wisdom to know when to stop, when to pivot and reallocate resources and when diminishing returns take effect.

When we reach this stage of development - these ingrained good habits become so natural to us, it can appear to be simple & intuitive.

But when you take the lid off and approach from a less experienced persons mindset - there are many aspects to consider that mean that one size doesn't fit all. And peril can be close without critical thinking. Really questioning and critically analysing a method or concept helps others find where they personally align with a subject.

tl;dr Expertise / experience often squishes complexity down into intuition. But that intuition is built on countless judgments, mistakes, and refinements that newer people haven't yet learned and internalized. Critical analysis helps fill the gap, rather than simply asking others to trust the conclusion. And taking on some conclusion without thinking is one of the largest pitfalls in modern society.

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[bazera]

I don't like how this looksmaxxing trend is becoming another cause for anxiety and psychological attachment in young guys, over-focusing on their looks and devoting their whole energy to overthinking every minor detail in their appearance, can that really be a source of satisfaction in life? Should we be focusing this much on this aspect? 

Sure, losing weight, building muscle, dressing up sharp, grooming, basic hygine, etc are all good, even a hair transplant, those things make you feel good about yourself. And I think that's the point, it's to boost your self-esteem and confidence.

But obsessing about jawline?

Doing unnecessary surgeries to change facial structure? 

Bone-smashing?

Joining a community and ideology that promotes and positively views all this?

Come on. 

And yeah, if you are fat smelly dude with a messy beard and spider-man tshirt, yeah, that should be changed, if we are talking about changing that to optimize yourself for dating more attractive women, I'm all for it.

Edited 1 hour ago by bazera

[AtmanIsBrahman]

@Natasha Tori Maru It’s not true that women have been looksmaxxing for ages. Yes, they have done makeup, but looksmaxxing is much more detailed, broad, and extensive than just that.

For example:

Do you know what the FWHR is? Facial width to height ratio. In males, the ideal is close to two. It signals dominance and untrustworthiness. People with a high FWHR are considered more likely to cheat. This is based on science by the way, not just stuff made up by looksmaxxers?

Do you know what the three facial thirds are, and how they should be proportioned and men and women? Looksmaxxers have this down to a science.

Do you know what makes a good eye area? Most people think it’s eye color. Really, it’s a combination of features in the eye region— in males, dense and lowset eyebrows, minimal upper eyelid exposure, deep set eyes, narrower rather than round eyes, lack of scleral show (white of the eye underneath the iris), a clear sclera with minimal red, etc.

See? This is very detailed, and it 100% is new. People were not talking about these things in 1980.
 

[bazera]

2 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Do you know what the FWHR is? Facial width to height ratio. In males, the ideal is close to two. It signals dominance and untrustworthiness. People with a high FWHR are considered more likely to cheat. This is based on science by the way, not just stuff made up by looksmaxxers?

What kind of science? Who did the tests and how?

Also, can you even change those variables? So if that ratio is off for you, could you change that? And how?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AtmanIsBrahman Beauty is not so rigid as to be objective.

Can you show me some historical data and links to support none of this existed prior to you encountering it as trend?

Can you tell me where the basis for these rules came from?

Can you tell me how long they existed for, prior to adoption to faces?

Can you give me some evidence to support that others didn't use any of these concepts previously?

If you could also share how you came to the conclusion these principles made for 'better aesthetics'? How did you get there from the principles? How exactly do these principles enhance appearance? What elements of beauty are they engaging?

How are you deciding what looks better? Who is deciding this?

Edited 51 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru