Settling down the debate around God's existence.

[Majed]

To materialists atheists, religious people are hallucinating their religion. But the question becomes, if most people in the world are hallucinating a religion, what tells you that the atheist isn't hallucinating his materialism ?
See, hallucination is a force of nature, not an individual property one person possess and others don't. Yes religious people are bought into the hallucination that is their religion, just as much as a materialist atheist is bought into his materialist hallucination. Then the question becomes what is a hallucination? And if everything is hallucination, what is not a hallucination? Reality is hallucination. Hence hallucination and reality are one, in a profound metaphysical union hallucinations are real, because reality is hallucination. 
Therefore yes religious people are hallucinating, materialist atheist are hallucinating, and everyone else is hallucinating. 
Because God, which is reality, is a hallucination. And remember hallucinations are real. Hence both religious people are correct in that God is real. And atheists are right in that God is a hallucination. Because there's no difference between reality and hallucination.
This synthesis settle down the debate around God's existence.

Edited Thursday at 05:47 PM by Majed

[yetineti]

Is this YOUR best hallucination?

[SOUL]

Yea, sure materialism is being hallucinated but the difference is when you fall off a cliff you hallucinate all the way down until you really hit the ground.

[yetineti]

@SOUL which has 0 meaningful consequences to you if you're just hallucinating...

[Yimpa]

On 6/11/2026 at 0:46 PM, Majed said:

religious people are hallucinating, materialist atheist are hallucinating, and everyone else is hallucinating. 

 

God hallucinates every finite identity.

[Breakingthewall]

Reality is not a hallucination, it is real (as its name "reality" suggest).

Religious people don't hallucinate because of their religion; rather, they believe a series of things they've been told are true. 

[SOUL]

@yetineti Does it not? I suppose dying on impact would have a consequence on the hallucinating and it's not like one can hallucinate a feathery bed to land in and have it magically replace the hard ground that really is there.

People confuse the 'hallucinating' the mind does to interpret the signals coming to it from the body and construct a paradigm in it with what actually is taking place in the material world.

There are many layers to the fact that reality is an illusion but it's the material world that creates them, not the hallucination in the mind creating the material world.

Despite what magical minded mystics believe about it and would try to convince others believe about it, too.

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality is not a hallucination, it is real (as its name "reality" suggest).

Religious people don't hallucinate because of their religion; rather, they believe a series of things they've been told are true. 

There is no reality.

Who told you there’s a reality, and did you believe what you were told was true?

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There is no reality.

Who told you there’s a reality, and did you believe what you were told was true?

 

🥱

[Mellowmarsh]

17 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

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Why was my reply yawn worthy?

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Why was my reply yawn worthy?

What means that's not reality? All that non dualistic stuff is meaningless

[Mellowmarsh]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What means that's not reality? All that non dualistic stuff is meaningless

What does “What means that’s not reality” mean?

[Dodo]

On 11/06/2026 at 6:46 PM, Majed said:

To materialists atheists, religious people are hallucinating their religion. But the question becomes, if most people in the world are hallucinating a religion, what tells you that the atheist isn't hallucinating his materialism ?
See, hallucination is a force of nature, not an individual property one person possess and others don't. Yes religious people are bought into the hallucination that is their religion, just as much as a materialist atheist is bought into his materialist hallucination. Then the question becomes what is a hallucination? And if everything is hallucination, what is not a hallucination? Reality is hallucination. Hence hallucination and reality are one, in a profound metaphysical union hallucinations are real, because reality is hallucination. 
Therefore yes religious people are hallucinating, materialist atheist are hallucinating, and everyone else is hallucinating. 
Because God, which is reality, is a hallucination. And remember hallucinations are real. Hence both religious people are correct in that God is real. And atheists are right in that God is a hallucination. Because there's no difference between reality and hallucination.
This synthesis settle down the debate around God's existence.

I think you are a bit confused. Both atheists and religious people live in materialist paradigm. Just differ on the way it came about/ was created. Religious people just say physical reality was created by God, they are still materialist / believe in the existence of a physical reality outside of consciousness.

Edited 17 hours ago by Dodo

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Dodo said:

I think you are a bit confused. Both atheists and religious people live in materialist paradigm. Just differ on the way it came about/ was created. Religious people just say physical reality was created by God, they are still materialist / believe in the existence of a physical reality outside of consciousness.

They humanize god, and dehumanize Jesus 

Lol

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What does “What means that’s not reality” mean?

I don't know, explain it if you can 

[Mellowmarsh]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't know, explain it if you can 

Okay allow me then….

I don’t believe there’s a fixed reality, so if you’re trying to fix in place a reality as meaning real, then that’s just your perception of what you imagined real to mean. However,there’s is no true boundary between "you" and the rest of the universe. 

Reality can only be an imaginary real. It’s a human mentally constructed system and not as it actually is. Actually means unchecked, but even “actual” is imagined. There’s no access to an imagined reality, it’s all inside your head, appearing as a synthetic projection of thought perceived. Thoughts are not actually real, they are fictional models of perception, and not necessarily true or real except as believed wishful thinking.

Theres no perceivable perceiver. The perceiver is the perceived and perception is never what it seems. It’s a mirage in the desert.

Edited 7 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Okay allow me then….

I don’t believe there’s a fixed reality, so if you’re trying to fix in place a reality as meaning real, then that’s just your perception of what you imagined real to mean. However,there’s is no true boundary between "you" and the rest of the universe. 

Reality can only be an imaginary real. It’s a human mentally constructed system and not as it actually is. Actually means unchecked, but even “actual” is imagined. There’s no access to an imagined reality, it’s all inside your head, appearing as a synthetic projection of thought perceived. Thoughts are not actually real, they are fictional models of perception, and not necessarily true or real except as believed wishful thinking.

Theres no perceivable perceiver. The perceiver is the perceived and perception is never what it seems. It’s a mirage in the desert.

If perceived reality is a mental construct, it remains absolutely real. Moreover, this mental construct is modeled on a constant exchange of information with the outside world.

Reality is one, but consciousness, or the mind, is a local process that acquires stability and structural independence from the outside, even though it is entirely interdependent with the whole.

The subjective reality that this mind generates is as real as anything else; it is reality in the form of subjective experience. Its substance is exactly the same: the dynamic flow of reality. To say that it is imaginary is to say that on one hand there is reality, and outside of it, the mind. This is obviously impossible.

[Mellowmarsh]

53 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

To say that it is imaginary is to say that on one hand there is reality, and outside of it, the mind. This is obviously impossible.

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that claim….so I asked A.I.

 

It said..

We can never step completely outside of our own perception to test what reality looks like un-observed, you are left to choose whether the consistency of the universe implies an independent external world, or simply a deeply complex, self-contained mental landscape.

 

Then I personally thought about how what we perceive as the external world is a reality existing due to it being conceptually known and labelled reality as such. But until the human mind showed up on the scene, what did this assumed reality know about its existence. For example: trees were here long before humans were here, and what do trees know about their existence? Does a tree ever tell itself it’s a real tree existing in a tree reality.? 

 

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Then I personally thought about how what we perceive as the external world is a reality existing due to it being conceptually known and labelled reality as such. But until the human mind showed up on the scene, what did this assumed reality know about its existence. For example: trees were here long before humans were here, and what do trees know about their existence? Does a tree ever tell itself it’s a real tree existing in a tree reality.? 

No because a tree is not a  self aware procces, but a human is. Both are equally real. 

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

We can never step completely outside of our own perception to test what reality looks like un-observed, you are left to choose whether the consistency of the universe implies an independent external world, or simply a deeply complex, self-contained mental landscape

It's the same in order of the level or reality . The perception is the reality, and the external world also is the reality. Nothing exist separate, everything that happens is relational, but everything is real. You could say that you are wrong thinking that tomorrow will rain, but the thought itself is the reality manifested as a thought, same than the idea about that thought is wrong 

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No because a tree is not a  self aware procces, but a human is. Both are equally real. 

Self aware implies two. A knower and the known. So if both are equally real, how would the concept “real” be known to have any significant meaning if there’s nothing else it’s distinct from? What would the word “REAL” even mean, so to speak?