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I'm not claiming they are right nor wrong, or the degree of their realization. Just as a contrast with how Osho talks about God.

 

(ParamaShiva=God)

 

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God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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6 hours ago, Davino said:

I'm not claiming they are right nor wrong, or the degree of their realization. Just as a contrast with how Osho talks about God.

What's the contrast? "God is nothing, God is not x" vs "God is x, God is this thing"?

Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ²

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7 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

What's the contrast? "God is nothing, God is not x" vs "God is x, God is this thing"?

You make up your mind

God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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28 minutes ago, Davino said:

You make up your mind

You said there was a contrast. What was the contrast? Or was it just a feeling?

Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ²

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7 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

What's the contrast? "God is nothing, God is not x" vs "God is x, God is this thing"?

Beyond belief vs experience.. Religion is dualistic.  It doesn't go any farther than believing or assuming there is a self and then there is this other entity we call God And that's it. It is not an experience which collapses this duality.  What they call awakening might be them seeing a vision of Jesus.

At the surface level you can both speak of God though and there won't appear to be any difference.  I get along great with religious folk. Because God exists.

 

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15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You said there was a contrast. What was the contrast? Or was it just a feeling?

Osho says God is a collective ego construction, that it is not fundamental, and dismisses experience per usual. 
These guys put it quite directly that God is mind/consciousness generating everything, that is, simply itself. 

kinda like you create a contrast between a 'contrast' as implied here and a 'feeling'. 

Whichever way you turn, there is the face of God

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The question is not if God exist or not but what is God. If for you God it the unlimited reality, for another a dreamer with an intention, for another is the fact of existing, etc, then it's pointless saying that god exists or not

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8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The question is not if God exist or not but what is God. If for you God it the unlimited reality, for another a dreamer with an intention, for another is the fact of existing, etc, then it's pointless saying that god exists or not

The question isn't what is God to the agnostic though.  Because this first needs to assume God exists. 

Though ultimately I think I see where you are going.  That reality is subjective and not objective.  Well to take that a step further one can say that it is neither.  As this is stil conceptual, duality, and language. Ultimately on awakening if reality is non-dualistic than there is no self or other -- and so all duality - which includes this conversation, breaks down and falls apart, because there is no "self and other" for which to have this conversation.

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1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

  As this is stil conceptual, duality, and language. Ultimately on awakening if reality is non-dualistic than there is no self or other so all duality - which includes this conversation, breaks down and falls apart, because there is no other for which to have this conversation.

You could say that the other ultimately is the same than you, but he's still other. Without other there is not experience, because experience is relationship, and relationship means two or more things, states, in relationships. So saying that it's an illusion maybe sounds enlightened but there are still two

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God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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59 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You said there was a contrast. What was the contrast? Or was it just a feeling?

Can't you think for yourself?

Contemplate on your own, these videos are food for thought. Digest them yourself.

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God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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3 hours ago, Davino said:

Can't you think for yourself?

Contemplate on your own, these videos are food for thought. Digest them yourself.

Lmao. Makes a distinction, refuses to elaborate. I want to think for myself but you're making it hard by not answering my question.

In fact, I "think for myself" so much that I won't think about what you're telling me to think about (and "contemplate", the most cliché, overused, groupthink concept on the forum) and instead want to think about what you would've answered me if you had answered.

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2 hours ago, Davino said:

 

 

He says that any thought you could have about God is just a thought then it's limited, but I think that's he's wrong, for example I could think: god is unlimited being. Then, where is the limitation of that thought? 

He also said: you are just a part of reality, and thoughts are a small part of reality. But it isn't true, because the reality is, and you are, then there are not parts, are modes, forms. If you want to be open to god, or the absolute or anything you call it you have to focus in the essence not in the form. You can be totally open to the unlimited and perceive right now the unlimited being, and realize that's your ultimate nature. You don't need to know all the forms, only the nature of form, and you can express it in a thought: unlimited being. Quite simple, you don't need to be a genius 

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25 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Lmao. Makes a distinction, refuses to elaborate. I want to think for myself but you're making it hard by not answering my question.

People who make claims and then refuse to elaborate on said claims are the mature and spiritually developed ones, and they are the ones who are doing REAL spiritual work, in contrast with immature and undeveloped people who waste time asking for clarification rather than just project their own semantics on everything and then label that as an activity of "thinking for themselves".

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28 minutes ago, zurew said:

People who make claims and then refuse to elaborate on said claims are the mature and spiritually developed ones and they are the ones who are doing REAL spiritual work in contrast with immature and undeveloped people who waste time asking for clarification rather than just project their own semantics on everything.

"Think for yourself about this thing I'm telling you to think about, but not about what I'm saying".

"It's not a cult guys, cult means mind contro- funneling money of course".

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51 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Makes a distinction, refuses to elaborate. I want to think for myself but you're making it hard by not answering my question.

I deliberately don't want to give my view on this thread, I wrote the minimum necessary for context.

I want to share content for your contemplation.

God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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