Awakenings make everyday life better but strip away the peaks of being human.

[Davino]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Probably your path leads you to a point where there is no difference between divine and mundane, if you align the mundane with the divine. It's not easy at all because all the humans work in dense mode, but they are an expression of the absolute. They are the absolute in human form. 

The mundane is divine but the divine is not mundane.

[Davino]

@UnbornTao I'd love to hear your feedback on my answer on the nature of consciousness and experience.

[Breakingthewall]

On 23/5/2026 at 0:30 PM, Davino said:

The soul now sees that all things are nothing in comparison.”

Likewise Saint Teresa of Ávila in The Interior Castle says after experiences of divine union says:

“Everything one sees on earth seems a mockery compared with what has been seen.”

In Sufi mysticism, Jalal al-Din Rumi repeatedly describes ordinary joys becoming insignificant before Awakening.

"Compared with one glimpse of God, paradise itself is dust."

Ramakrishna again said that after tasting Awakening:

"The pleasures of the world taste like straw."

That's true, being totally open to the absolute 1 second is more than anything in the earth. But you have to see the absolute in everything to live.

Ramakrishna, teresa, were a great inspiration but also addicted to the absolute (just from my point of view, I guess it was their destiny). For me there has to be a balance. We are here being humans, the absolute is not going to move. The point is achieve openess to the absolute in some moments, then see the absolute in everything, at least in some extent.

Achieving at least one real openess to the absolute is the change. Then I try to do it more time to time, but the objective is not feel so great being open to the absolute, that's being an addicted, the point is align my human reality as much as I can, do my work.

Edited 19 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

@Davino

Anyway, a question. For you, the Absolute is a dreamer dreaming reality for a reason, and the nature of reality is consciousness? Because if that's your view of the total, then you haven't yet broken through the ultimate barrier.

The Absolute is the unlimited that is the source of existence. Reality isn't a dream; it's a possible expression of the unlimited, and you are that expression becoming aware of its nature, not a creator who dreams and hides from themselves by playing games. If that's your view, you haven't let go of the individual; you still see the Absolute as an individual. It isn't. That's why the surrender required to open yourself to the Absolute must be total.

There is not a creator or a will, it's what is possible happens. An analogy could be that the absolute is a hole without limits that is absolute potential, not an entity. The power of the absolute is absolute, because has no limits, but it's not creating, it's happening, it's just inevitable. To being totally open to the absolute you have to disappear. If you think that you are god dreaming, you didn't disappear.

Edited 17 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Joseph Maynor]

3 hours ago, Davino said:

@UnbornTao I'd love to hear your feedback on my answer on the nature of consciousness and experience.

I second this.

[Joseph Maynor]

Some people want to hide their human.  This makes sense in our Internet day and age.  You don't know who you're relating with online.  Sometimes you do though.  Then you know.

[Davino]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's true, being totally open to the absolute 1 second is more than anything in the earth. But you have to see the absolute in everything to live.

Ramakrishna, teresa, were a great inspiration but also addicted to the absolute (just from my point of view, I guess it was their destiny). For me there has to be a balance. We are here being humans, the absolute is not going to move. The point is achieve openess to the absolute in some moments, then see the absolute in everything, at least in some extent.

Achieving at least one real openess to the absolute is the change. Then I try to do it more time to time, but the objective is not feel so great being open to the absolute, that's being an addicted, the point is align my human reality as much as I can, do my work.

Yes yes you're right. We're very aligned, it's clearly the wise way to go about it.

[Davino]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

For you, the Absolute is a dreamer dreaming reality for a reason, and the nature of reality is consciousness? Because if that's your view of the total, then you haven't yet broken through the ultimate barrier.

The Absolute is the unlimited that is the source of existence. Reality isn't a dream; it's a possible expression of the unlimited, and you are that expression becoming aware of its nature, not a creator who dreams and hides from themselves by playing games. If that's your view, you haven't let go of the individual; you still see the Absolute as an individual. It isn't. That's why the surrender required to open yourself to the Absolute must be total.

There is not a creator or a will, it's what is possible happens. An analogy could be that the absolute is a hole without limits that is absolute potential, not an entity. The power of the absolute is absolute, because has no limits, but it's not creating, it's happening, it's just inevitable. To being totally open to the absolute you have to disappear. If you think that you are god dreaming, you didn't disappear.

My view is much more nuanced and refined but I've contemplated what you've said in the past and I recognise there's a type of Awakening you're pointing towards that I haven't fully realised in it's totality so to speak, it has been tangential or in aggregation with other facets. 

I'm working on fully opening and dissolving myself in Absolute Infinity. It's taking quite some work, but probably in this year or the next will happen.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

My view is much more nuanced and refined but I've contemplated what you've said in the past and I recognise there's a type of Awakening you're pointing towards that I haven't fully realised in it's totality so to speak, it has been tangential or in aggregation with other facets. 

I'm working on fully opening and dissolving myself in Absolute Infinity. It's taking quite some work, but probably in this year or the next will happen.

Maybe I talk too certain and I'm wrong, but I think that it's a huge mistake the vision that I'm consciousness imagining etc, because it's an absolute limit in the mind. In spirituality is said as an absolute truth, and when you read it seems very logical, but it's a trap. Maybe enlightenment is not about the mind but if the mind has limits it's impossible, and this is a limit 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe I talk too certain and I'm wrong, but I think that it's a huge mistake the vision that I'm consciousness imagining etc, because it's an absolute limit in the mind. In spirituality is said as an absolute truth, and when you read it seems very logical, but it's a trap. Maybe enlightenment is not about the mind but if the mind has limits it's impossible, and this is a limit 

Like the mind tries to grasp the condition that makes mind possible in the first place. I think others might argue the mind HAS no limit?

But on the relative domain... it would appear limited.

I think this is where the discussion ends up with everyone talking past each other, using different definitions & presuppositions. It turns into a semantic fog, rather than expand clarity on the issue.

[LambdaDelta]

[Carl-Richard]

The Dark Night of the Soul precedes the eternal light.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

In my own experience happiness, joy and gratitude have increased.

I don't feel a need or want of pleasure with a solid gratitude practice 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

In my own experience happiness, joy and gratitude have increased.

I don't feel a need or want of pleasure with a solid gratitude practice 

The "peaks" @Davino is talking about is hedonic instant gratification, or pride, or mentally patting oneself on the back. That is seen through. But what is maximized is flow and connectedness to moment-to-moment experience. It's a continual experience of gratification. Any individual data point is just passed through, straight to the next one, no lingering, no grasping, no clinging to finite things.

The Dark Night of the Soul is when you have to make this shift from getting instant gratification and other gratification vs tapping into flow. And eventually, to purely tap into flow, you have to give up all control, and that's one of the harder keyholes to pass through.

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

The "peaks" @Davino is talking about is hedonic instant gratification, or pride, or mentally patting oneself on the back. That is seen through. But what is maximized is flow and connectedness to moment-to-moment experience. It's a continual experience of gratification. Any individual data point is just passed through, straight to the next one, no lingering, no grasping, no clinging to finite things.

The Dark Night of the Soul is when you have to make this shift from getting instant gratification and other gratification vs tapping into flow. And eventually, to purely tap into flow, you have to give up all control, and that's one of the harder keyholes to pass through.

[VeganAwake]

Awakening is impossible to describe because it isn't a something in which could be described. It’s literally nothing. It's reality exactly the way it physically appears now, minus the conditioned experiencer. So its a subtraction, except that which is subtracted, was never real from the start.

How can nothing be described? 

It's the end of an illusory self which was seemingly experiencing its linear life through conditioned filters or the matrix of mind.

The physical appearances of the world stay exactly the same.

What changes is the meaning, purpose and value placed overtop of reality by a self illusion. It's overarching perspective in other words.

So it's the end of an unreal experience of the unreal experiencer 

Its real and unreal.

Unreal in the sense that the entire personalized story of meaning, purpose and value placed overtop of reality is completely false. (Dream Story/Matrix)

Real in the sense that there are empty human bodies seemingly experiencing an explosion of energy, lights, colors, sounds, smells, tastes, feelings, thoughts, other biological creatures, plant life etc....etc....

A "you" being the body or in the body is the only completely unreal piece actually!

[UnbornTao]

@Davino The arguments have been made over and over again.

The gist of it:

Some foundational conflations are being made here that need to be sorted out. Using an example, we can imagine that for Ramana, whether drunk, catatonic, demented, angry, in love, or in deep sleep, none of it would have made any difference to what he was "conscious" of. Take away his sight, smell, hearing, touch, his ability to feel, think, and emote. Alter his brain's chemistry. Doesn't matter when it comes to what he was truly conscious of. And he's dead now - with no ability to experience. So what are we talking about here?

I know that you think that your philosophy and map are significant and correct, but they're not, and neither are mine. It's likely not considered a philosophy either. We keep bumping into the same things.

"State" of "consciousness" - experience. Now consider that whenever you talk you're most likely always talking about this domain - especially because you think that drugs "increase consciousness." Everything you're aware of is experience.

Actually, your previous lashing out - work with that. It's more real than this. I think it hit close to home.

Edited 1 hour ago by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Like the mind tries to grasp the condition that makes mind possible in the first place. I think others might argue the mind HAS no limit?

But on the relative domain... it would appear limited.

I think this is where the discussion ends up with everyone talking past each other, using different definitions & presuppositions. It turns into a semantic fog, rather than expand clarity on the issue.

I think that what I said is clear and that Davino understood it . 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think that what I said is clear and that Davino understood it . 

I didn't claim that it was in anyway unclear. I just remarked on how different definitions can be at play and usually we deviate after a point. 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The Dark Night of the Soul is when you have to make this shift from getting instant gratification and other gratification vs tapping into flow. And eventually, to purely tap into flow, you have to give up all control, and that's one of the harder keyholes to pass through.

That's an interesting topic, I think the dark night of the soul is when someone has moments of openness to the totality and then realizes that the things they clung to for psychological survival, like the pursuit of success, superficial relationships, etc., are empty.

But at the same time, their connection to the totality blurs and disappears, leaving them in a no-man's-land, trying to reconnect or open themselves to the absolute, but this doesn't happen, and they see no substance in what once sustained them.

What this person seeks is the transparency of their psychological structure to the "divine," the vitality of the reality, so that it permeates their experience at all times, but they still have closing mechanisms that they can't identify or deactivate.