Starving Patriarchy

[Lila9]

6 hours ago, zazen said:

True - the brutal thing is physical reality has asymmetries and inequalities. Men and women have largely been trying to survive reality with trade offs that have changed as advancements / developments came about.

Physical reality does have asymmetries and inequalities. The question is, are they natural or artificial? Example of a natural one: women give birth, men can't, but they have more muscle.
Example of a non-natural one: women are systematically deprived of the same rights men have, such as voting, divorcing, owning property, freedom, and power.
Can you differentiate between the natural and the artificial ones?

6 hours ago, zazen said:

Divorce laws for example remedy the fact of unearned income / wealth being built during motherhood for example.

Why are there divorce laws to begin with? Because of feminists advocacy. Not because the patriarchal system one day decided to be kind. 

6 hours ago, zazen said:

It's also not like men working in hard jobs which are much more risky then desk jobs are self actualizing or enlightenment maxxing while sweat runs down their ass crack. That's another asymmetry - physically hard / dangerous jobs are done by more men than women - but men don't claim that this is due to matriarchal malice - its simply that physical reality matches men better to certain jobs.

Men work in more physical jobs because of their muscle power; this is an example of natural asymmetry. Take into account that men are also paid better for their risky jobs. Even if not, this is not because of women, but because of other men who exploit the muscle power of their fellow men for profit.

Women take risks to their bodies, lives, and safety by marrying men, living with men, and having children. Women are more likely to get hurt by men who are close to them and living with them in the same house. This is a real issue that feminists address.

6 hours ago, zazen said:

Once you frame any act by man as misogyny even if its done with neutral or positive intent simply because its a man doing it or the ''system'' is patriarchal then you've surrendered yourself to ideological framing that is toxic and can only result in making you bitter against half the population you share the planet with and with who the opposite sex is trying to survive with.

No, I don't frame every act by a man as misogyny. Just because I address the systemic oppression of women does not mean that it is an attack on individual men. The truth is that rape and femicide exist, due to systematic misogeny, no matter how you frame it.

Many of you want to justify this as some natural reality that we have nothing to do with, like "boys will be boys," but this is not the case. A big part of it, and perhaps even most of it, is due to a systemic issue, and if you are not sincere and do not address it, you are part of the problem. You are protecting a dysfunctional and toxic society.

In a less hierarchical and patriarchal society, one that is more egalitarian and in which women hold equal power, there is significantly less to non, rape, femicide, and other forms of misogyny-based harm against women.

6 hours ago, zazen said:

Even good acts are deemed ''benevolent misogny'' lol common. What is Leo's work on this forum and his courses/videos..benevolent misogny?

No, I was talking about the relationship between men and women, not about everything that men do simply because they exist.

Do you know what benevolent misogyny is? It is the belief that women are inherently weak and irrational and need men's guidance and protection, expressed through doing tasks for them because they are supposedly too weak or incapable themselves, which justifies dominance and control. It can also involve putting women on a pedestal, idealizing and praising them if they conform to patriarchal expectations, but demonizing them as soon as they do not, the love-hate cycle, the Madonna-whore complex. Those behaviors may look positive on the surface, but they derive from the same misogynistic root.

Not every single man exhibit those behaviours of misogeny or benelovent misogeny. But they are very common ways in which men treat and relate to women. 

BTW, I know that it is very nice to talk to me, but I already covered this in my other convo with you. Please spare me the repetitive arguments.

On 5/25/2026 at 6:22 AM, Lila9 said:

I already covered it here:

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Lila9

[Lila9]

16 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

The guys in this Forum are lost. I dont know if is the style of Leo Gura teaching that leads guys to become such assholes or they are just already and gravitate to the Forum because it supply them the sort of environment to display this way of being. Raze, is lost case for me same with others. Dont care about anything they say, they are just gasligthing AF,no reflection at all about the things brougth up. 

Yes, they are full of shit to be honest. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

How disappointing. 

[Apparition of Jack]

Don’t you guys like the opposite sex? lol.
 

I was speaking about this with my therapist recently and it kinda occurred to me so much of modern gender discourse seems to just boil down to someone feeling emotionally detached from the other gender. As if love, dating, relationships etc are just transactions one person gets from another and there’s no real way to fundamentally humanise or care about the other person.

Aw man. Now I just made myself depressed. It’s not that bad guys lol we can get along 😢