Peter Ralston On LOVE - Newsletter Response

[Willy Phallicus]

7 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

But there is a definition of Love that everyone wants to tiptoe around because Leo has stated its not feeling or emotion its Unity. 

Ultimately Leo can't give you all the answers.  Its both and I think Leo knows this.  Love is both emotion and action (act of love aka unity).  Put those two together and you get Being.  Or Unity. Or wholeness or Christ consciousness or whatever the hell you want to call it, there's like 1000 names for the same fucking realization.

7 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

No its not Unity.  Its what brings about Unity. Which is something else.

See your own metaphor about the hand.  Human is not unity.  Its how unity wakes up to itself, which is something else.  All while being unity - which is love - otherwise it wouldn't give a shit about waking up at all.  As above, so below....drop in the ocean, ocean in a drop yadda yadda.  

7 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Feel being the key word here.

Sure but where is the feeling coming from?

When you truly love your partner and/or your offspring you treat them how you would like to be treated.  You want the best for them so you want the best for yourself.  Or you sacrifice yourself for them in one way or another.  You feel and act as though they are not separate from you at all - that's what love is - you don't want to live without them and you have no choice but to live with yourself.  Your happiness or fulfillment is based on how your family is doing which is tied directly to how you are doing.  Its called the family unit because its a unity - built on love and mutual respect and every other good thing (in theory).

Its the trick and the pun of the golden rule.  What you do unto others YOU ARE doing to yourself.  All separation is an illusion, that includes any supposed divide between love and unity.  You're looking into a mirror so you can't have one without the other.  You cant have human without god and god cant see god without human.  Its a very loving arrangement.

Like I said its circular - the wheel always comes back around - its got nowhere else to go.

Edited 11 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[UnbornTao]

Virtually all of this conversation is a good, lengthy, smelly fart, except the original Q&A.

Edited 9 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Eskilon]

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Virtually all of this conversation is a good, lengthy, smelly fart, except the original Q&A.

Don't be a suck-up.

[Joseph Maynor]

13 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Feel being the key word here.

Correct.  This is what is being missed for some reason.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

35 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Correct.  This is what is being missed for some reason.

Leo has stated frequently his model does not have an allowance/include for the nuances of emotions and feelings.

It could simply be missed as a result of his audience having the same gap in understanding.

It makes me sad, because emotions and feelings are of the same substance as thoughts, in my worldview. 

They cannot be seprated from each other - when concept is transmitted, thought, emotion and feeling is all packaged up with it.

[Joseph Maynor]

46 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Leo has stated frequently his model does not have an allowance/include for the nuances of emotions and feelings.

It could simply be missed as a result of his audience having the same gap in understanding.

It makes me sad, because emotions and feelings are of the same substance as thoughts, in my worldview. 

They cannot be seprated from each other - when concept is transmitted, thought, emotion and feeling is all packaged up with it.

I agree with this except  I'm not sure how he feels, he might differ from any characterization.  But I agree with your point of view as to emotions.

Edited 4 hours ago by Joseph Maynor

[Leo Gura]

45 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Leo has stated frequently his model does not have an allowance/include for the nuances of emotions and feelings.

What???

That is not my position.

I am not some logical robot who denies emotions and feelings. Of course we deal with emotions in this work.

What I said was that Reality is not built around your feelings, and that feeling cannot be prioritized above truth.

Just because feelings are not the #1 value does not mean they not a value at all.

I would be the first to criticize any worldview or approach that dismissed feeling as nothing.

"Facts don't care about your feelings" is a form of stupidity.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What???

That is not my position.

I am not some logical robot who denies emotions and feelings. Of course we deal with emotions in this work.

What I said was that Reality is not built around your feelings, and that feeling cannot be prioritized above truth.

Just because feelings are not the #1 value does not mean they not a value at all.

I would be the first to criticize any worldview or approach that dismissed feeling as nothing.

"Facts don't care about your feelings" is a form of stupidity.

Oh, that's cool! 

I am going by some comments dating back 2 or so years. And given this context I understand your position better 👍🏻 

I meant no offense, it is my misunderstanding.

To elaborate further - the part you quoted from me is more referring to a lack of material on the matter, in the form of YouTube long format releases. The sadness I express is just that there aren't any big releases from you on the topic.

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joseph Maynor]

22 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Oh, that's cool! 

I am going by some comments dating back 2 or so years. And given this context I understand your position better 👍🏻 

I meant no offense, it is my misunderstanding.

To elaborate further - the part you quoted from me is more referring to a lack of material on the matter, in the form of YouTube long format releases. The sadness I express is just that there aren't any big releases from you on the topic.

Nobody wants to be held accountable.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

11 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Nobody wants to be held accountable.  

You think so? 

I personally don't mind it, it's an opportunity to take responsibility and integrate 😁

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Virtually all of this conversation is a good, lengthy, smelly fart, except the original Q&A.

Wrong, there are interesting posts, but they are not appropriate for your....how to say? Well, not appropriate. Try avoid insulting because it's supposed that you are a moderator of a spiritual forum 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You think so? 

I personally don't mind it, it's an opportunity to take responsibility and integrate 😁

That's good that you take responsibility and say sorry to Leo, he has authority right? That's cool.

Anyway, I asked about my comment in the video about incompletude. As you was upset about my comment I wanted to know my mistake. If I don't know it, I can't improve 

Edited 53 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

22 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's good that you take responsibility and say sorry to Leo, he has authority right? That's cool.

Anyway, I asked about my comment in the video about incompletude. As you was upset about my comment I wanted to know my mistake. If I don't know it, I can't improve 

Well, if it's his stance then yes that's his sovereignty. He feels compelled to correct a misunderstanding. It's not that he is correct or incorrect to me, in my opinion. It is about ensuring he communicated properly and that is his own integrity at work. It has nothing to do with me seeing him as an authority. 

And yeah I meant no offence to him. Did I say sorry? Feel free to quote me. Just as I never mean offense to anyone. 

I have never been upset by anything you have said to me in this thread, I thought we were merely talking about understanding views? This notion I am upset is so left field! I don't even recall the question.

My worldview is different to Leo, and yourself. 

But again, you haven't ever probed me for my worldview. Typically you are much more concerned with expressing your own.

And that's cool too.

 

Edited 32 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[UnbornTao]

@Eskilon Not sure how you read it, but the conversation is nonsense. It's essentially speculation and an exchange of opinion. 

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

But again, you haven't ever probed me for my worldview. Typically you are much more concerned with expressing your own.

I guess that if you want to express your worldview you would do or it would appear in your conversation, it's not a matter of asking but observing.

I express mine, others express theirs and we talk about they, to refine, understand, see our flaws... Thats the point of this activity. My point is not convince people of my vision, because it's pointless, they are very few and my vision is in process of construction, it's not finished. My point is expression and communication when it's possible, because this make your vision alive, evolving 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I guess that if you want to express your worldview you would do or it would appear in your conversation, it's not a matter of asking but observing.

I express mine, others express theirs and we talk about they, to refine, understand, see our flaws... Thats the point of this activity. My point is not convince people of my vision, because it's pointless, they are very few and my vision is in process of construction, it's not finished. My point is expression and communication when it's possible, because this make your vision alive, evolving 

I like that stance.

Perhaps it just comes out in different ways, on different days, in different moods - as with us all