Russell Brand In Hot Water

[Willy Phallicus]

Biologically speaking, any male of breeding age will be attracted to any female of breeding age.  

That's not really his problem though.  His problem is he slyly admits to being a predator and then feels the need to explain to explain that away instead of just owning it and pleading for mercy.

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Yali said:

You have said in the past that Russell Brand is a example of Green

He is Green in many respects, at least performatively.

But this specific incident is a classic example of Red to Blue.

That doesn't mean he isn't also Green in many other ways. Obviously he is not just standard Blue. But he has backslid in defending his Red old self.

It is hard to defend the actions of one's Red self from 25 years ago. Requires a lot of mental gymnastics.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Basman]

Covid did definitely break certain people. I know a guy who used to be sound. Now he spams conspiracy and alt healing videos and washes his legs in piss everyday.

[enchanted]

This whole interview is insane. At around the 45 min mark Piers asks him what we should have done differently during COVID and he doesn't have an answer.

[Infinity16]

19 hours ago, Ulax said:

Yep, just a few years ago he was very green. Was all about spirituality, chakras, leftist political causes.

I'm from the UK, and growing up he was often in the news making some sort of leftist political protest.

Honestly, he was probably never stage green. You can easily pretend to be part of a stage that you are not.

[Leo Gura]

You can be Green and still a rapist. No contradiction there.

You have to stop assuming that Green means are you a saint. Green people are still corrupt and evil as everyone else.

Green does not mean you are a good person or not a criminal.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[trenton]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You can be Green and still a rapist. No contradiction there.

You have to stop assuming that Green means are you a saint. Green people are still corrupt and evil as everyone else.

Green does not mean you are a good person or not a criminal.

I believe the mechanism by which this would happen would most likely be an opportunistic or situational offender.

There are incest perpetrators, pedophiles, and zoophiles who believe that they are not harming the victim. In fact, they believe that this kind of love is appropriate for the victim. A father doesn't rape his daughter because he hates her and wants her to suffer. Instead it is more often out of his twisted sense of love, just as with a mother and son.

In the case of the mother and son incest, the mother often has a trauma history with which she is identified and therefore locked into a depressing schema while becoming emotionally incestuous with her son. Again, she develops an inappropriate bond, similar to the mental health centers I've been to in which people bond very fast through vulnerability such that they start having sex when their not supposed to because they love each other and have confused boundaries around sex as a consequence of past abuse.

Of course there are also animal lovers who have sex with their dogs because they believe the dog can consent and that this love is appropriate.

The key is that they must believe their behavior is not harmful, otherwise they can't maintain it. They actually have a distorted moral reality rather than simply being evil. Obviously drugs might be a factor in disinhibiting someone who copes poorly with trauma. Severe stress can also temporarily override normal inhibitions stage green would have.

In the case of this man, he may not have believed that having sex with that 16 year old was harmful if where he is from it would have been consensual and he felt the love was appropriate. The secrecy comes from beliefs such as harm comes from discovery not from a father raping his daughter.

@Leo Gura is this how a stage green rapist thinks?

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can be Green and still a rapist. No contradiction there.

You have to stop assuming that Green means are you a saint. Green people are still corrupt and evil as everyone else.

Green does not mean you are a good person or not a criminal.

But if you're green i thought you value better things that say a red person.

A red will value domination, whilst green will value equality.

[trenton]

Just now, Ulax said:

But if you're green i thought you value better things that say a red person.

A red will value domination, whilst green will value equality.

Green also values love and connection. Sometimes this can be applied in inappropriate ways. Green is also open minded to cultural relativism including the reality that some cultures were fine with incest. It might make it seem like incest is not evil if a parent loves their child very deeply. Sometimes rapists act from love, not from power and domination. This includes statutory rape cases for example.

Combine this with severe stress, trauma, and possible drug problems from poor coping, and you might end up with a stage green rapist with a warped worldview who believes he is acting from love, not from power.

[Ulax]

16 minutes ago, trenton said:

Green also values love and connection. Sometimes this can be applied in inappropriate ways. Green is also open minded to cultural relativism including the reality that some cultures were fine with incest. It might make it seem like incest is not evil if a parent loves their child very deeply. Sometimes rapists act from love, not from power and domination. This includes statutory rape cases for example.

Combine this with severe stress, trauma, and possible drug problems from poor coping, and you might end up with a stage green rapist with a warped worldview who believes he is acting from love, not from power.

Interesting perspective

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, Ulax said:

But if you're green i thought you value better things that say a red person.

A red will value domination, whilst green will value equality.

You can value whatever and then still whip your dick out.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Can't transcend biology or incentive structures!

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Can't transcend biology or incentive structures!

Really?

[Lila9]

I always got from him this uncanny feeling that something was off, even in his “Green” era.

[Joseph Maynor]

10 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I always got from him this uncanny feeling that something was off, even in his “Green” era.

But I notice people were recommending him as I recall.  Now we get a reversal.

[Willy Phallicus]

When he says all the things you like to hear you'll recommend him.  When he embarrassingly gets caught with his pants down you'll need to disassociate to spare yourself from the embarrassment of once recommending him.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Willy Phallicus said:

When he says all the things you like to hear you'll recommend him.  When he embarrassingly gets caught with his pants down you'll need to disassociate to spare yourself from the embarrassment of once recommending him.

People want to project outward and stay invisible instead of manning up and taking full responsibility for their life, this is to be expected.

[Leo Gura]

I didn't recommend him per se, I used him as a nice example of a wild drug addict who evolved into Green.

That is still true. Regardless of who he slept with 20 years ago, the fact that he kicked a heroin addiction is impressive nonetheless.

He is still much more evolved than a typical MAGA chud.

But his past haunts him. Nothing suprising about that.

I would expect a heroin addict to have done some pretty bad things in the past.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Mellowmarsh]

25 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

But I notice people were recommending him as I recall.  Now we get a reversal.

That’s the nature of the mind, it always wants what it doesn’t want. Flip Flop.

 

Meanwhile Art is natural. The natural is just shagging itself. That self is its nature.

 

 

[Willy Phallicus]

@Joseph Maynor

True but that doesn't mean they should deny how cheaply and easily they were conned.

Edited 58 minutes ago by Willy Phallicus