Why is Leo subtly spreading conservatism, and gender stereotypes?

[Xonas Pitfall]

Leo's quote:

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Notice that many new human views, trends, and movements turn out to be foolish, ineffective, and just mindless conformity. Which is why being conservative is good. Liberals tend to jump on new trends which turn out to be nothing more than utopian group-think. Yes, tradition can be stupid, but often so is the new thing. Examples: crypto, NFTs, communism, men and women are equal, gender is a social construct, post-modernism, identity politics, defund the police, lax drug enforcement, open borders, unchecked immigration, hippie free love, pacifism, celebration of sex work, drag shows for kids, giving kids hormones, etc. Conformity stretches in both directions: backward and forward. Conformity makes fools out of traditionalists and progressives both.

I can also say:

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Notice that many old human views, traditions, and institutions turn out to be foolish, ineffective, and just mindless conformity. Which is why being progressive is good. Conservatives tend to cling to old norms which turn out to be nothing more than nostalgic group-think. Yes, change can be stupid, but often so is the old way. Examples: monarchy, slavery, denying women equal rights, racism, homophobia, rigid gender roles, censorship, criminalizing homosexuality, banning interracial marriage, segregation, suppressing labor rights, anti-science moral panics, opposition to civil rights, xenophobia, forced religious conformity, and moral policing. Conformity stretches in both directions: backward and forward. Conformity makes fools out of traditionalists and progressives both.

Why the conservative bias? What kind of conservative version of reality are you arguing for?

I can also make the argument that, fundamentally, Truth is Infinity, denying it and trying to box in and conserve reality is a fundamental corruption.

For gender issues and men-women stuff, I won’t comment because I’ve commented on it many times before about how poorly the arguments from Leo are made. If someone is curious, they can see here (I basically made a parody of many of his claims): https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/110076-femininity-truth-parody-of-leos-blogpost/

Note: I’m not trying to promote either side or hate on Leo. I’m just pointing out that some of the biases in his takes can be fairly visible and, at times, poorly argued or concerning. Overall, though, I appreciate his work a lot, and I’ve learned a great deal from him!

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Leo Gura]

Because you guys are too blindly leftist here.

I am balancing you out.

Notice that as soon as I push back on leftism, leftists get upset and confused, not knowing how to react.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Xonas Pitfall]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because you guys are too blindly leftist here.

I am balancing you out.

Notice that as soon as I push back on leftism, leftists get upset and confused, not knowing how to react.

Are we?  For the most part on the forum, I see: there are people who probably need to get their lives in order, so in that sense, “conservatism” might be more helpful. But that seems more like self-discipline and self-improvement than political conservatism itself. I see more red-pill or manosphere-style conservative thinking, with only a few people pushing back against it. That would make the space lean more conservative overall. Rarely do I see people here heavily debating NFTs, crypto, trans issues, abortion, or other political issues in a way that is strongly progressive or conservative. Plus, I'm not sure which side crypto and NFTs are on. Aren’t they more about capitalism, technology, and the corruption of people chasing money, general "big-tech Silicon Valley" conformity? Trump himself quickly jumped on that trend.

Most of the other stuff feels more centered on spirituality, personal growth, health, and self-improvement. No?

Edited 2 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Are we aiming for balancing the pendulum swing, or truth?

[VioleGrace]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Are we aiming for balancing the pendulum swing, or truth?

None of the both side get truth, 

Truth is right beetween those two 

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 minute ago, VioleGrace said:

None of the both side get truth, 

Truth is right beetween those two 

This I agree with! The issue I have is that sometimes you can’t really tell what claims Leo is trying to make or propagate. Then, here and there, he seems to allude to something and later backpedal. It’s not always fully clear what he actually means regarding all the issues he brought up in his statement/quote.

[Leo Gura]

If you can't appreciate a solid and healthy conservative perspective, you are the problem.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

28 minutes ago, VioleGrace said:

None of the both side get truth, 

Truth is right beetween those two 

Which is my point exactly 💯 

[Xonas Pitfall]

I agree that a solid and healthy conservative perspective can be good. But what is your actual position on these issues?

To give an example, it’s easy to say, ‘Let’s have a healthy perspective,’ but then you make statements like, ‘Girls don’t think, they just feel with their pussies.’ Then you say, ‘Well... you see... progressives go too far with gender equality.’ Do you see how it might be difficult to understand what kind of conservative framework you are suggesting?

Why side with one position and proclaim it as more correct or truthful if the fundamental truth is that both need to be integrated? This bias or taking sides feels unnecessary here.

Edited 2 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Lila9]

Haha I like the parody. This is so good.

I definitely believe that there are different ways to access truth, and the feminine way can suit some people while the masculine way suits others.

Actually, in Hinduism, there is a goddess called Kali Ma, and she represents the feminine, truth-seeking aspect. She cuts through illusion with her sword. She does it out of love because she wants us to awaken. She represents radical compassion.

In Slavic folklore, there is Baba Yaga, who represents the Wild Mother archetype.

She teaches humans to "kill" the illusions of society and its expectations and to trust their instincts and intuition.

Edited 2 hours ago by Lila9

[Raze]

The problem with ascribing traits to feminity and masculinity is those words have baggage and it’s implied culturally that it’s better for women to be more feminine and men more masculine. 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

But what is your actual position on these issues?

That's not important. The important thing is that you understand the limitations of rampant liberalism and virtues of a conservative approach to things.

I am not asking you to adopt by personal political positions. I'm asking you to consider the value of being conservative and problems with liberalism.

I am not suggesting any particular framework, just question your own position and appreciate alternative perspectives.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Xonas Pitfall]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not important. The important thing is that you understand the limitations of rampant liberalism and virtues of a conservative approach to things.

I am not asking you to adopt by personal political positions. I'm asking you to consider the value of being conservative and problems with liberalism.

I am not suggesting any particular framework, just question your own position and appreciate alternative perspectives.

Sure, I agree with that.

But that’s not the intention of my post.

The post was to bring up some of the biases being shown and question whether that is appropriate for this level of content/forum, especially since you aim to be a ‘paragon of truth.’

11 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

To give an example, it’s easy to say, ‘Let’s have a healthy perspective,’ but then you make statements like, ‘Girls don’t think, they just feel with their pussies.’ Then you say, ‘Well... you see... progressives go too far with gender equality.’ Do you see how it might be difficult to understand what kind of conservative framework you are suggesting?

Why side with one position and proclaim it as more correct or truthful if the fundamental truth is that both need to be integrated? This bias or taking sides feels unnecessary here.

 

[Lila9]

This is so important to integrate healthy Blue and the foundational stages, this is the basis.
We need a strong basis.
It is like with chakras. 

[Leo Gura]

58 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

The post was to bring up some of the biases being shown

Men and women are different. That's not a bias. Women operate on feelings. That's not a bias.

So I don't see what your point is.

I am suggesting don't jump on mindless leftist trends.

Notice that when I spent years criticizing conservatives, you didn't have an issue with it. Now when I balance that out with criticism of leftism, you scream bias.

It would be bias if I only criticized the right.

Edited 58 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[caspex]

How sure are you that you would have made this post if Leo posted the other version and not the first one?

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

is those words have baggage and it’s implied culturally that it’s better for women to be more feminine and men more masculine. 

Yeah, baggaged words are indeed a problem.

Edited 42 minutes ago by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

there are people who probably need to get their lives in order, so in that sense, “conservatism” might be more helpful

Everyone needs.

The need to work hard on your health, meeting less on zoom and more face to face, going back to walking in nature more, reconnecting with people from your past, spending more time with your parents and grandparents.

Edited 9 minutes ago by Nivsch

[Lyubov]

Conservatism is viewed as terrible at the moment because it’s conflated with fascism and democratic breakdown in the USA. Keep in mind those two things are separate things. Many European countries are conservative but very democratic as well. The USA conservative is authoritarian and just an abhorrent braindead bunch so any real conservatism can’t really escape being seen as anything else currently.