Do you believe communism is good?

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

That's where the idea came from, they studied the evolution of society. Remember, Europe was still bands of tribes much later than the Mediterranean cultures, even when ruled by Rome there were remote tribes for a long time, look at 'Gypsies' today. You take that and pair it with the fact that capitalism will inherently lead to the consolidation of wealth, that's why they say socialism is inevitable. For most of human history communism has been our way of life, capitalism is the experiment and it is believed, intellectually, to be proven unsustainable. It's a theory. Capitalism is the exploitation of our communist nature, community, cooperation, concentrating wealth, the disparity only getting greater, it's the logical trajectory to capitalism: consolidation of wealth and power. 'Capitalism' is how all the great achievements have been done, even all the way back to Egyptian and Mayan pyramids, but look at every civilization, it concentrates wealth and power and they all fall. The essence of communism has always been present and underlaid capitalism, capitalism is just 'exploiting' that cooperation. Marx believed we'd eventually break this cycle and just cooperate.

 

Finland, Norway, Sweden Lapland today

 

 

 

Amazon

 

 

Africa today 

 

Mongolia today 

 

Afghanistan

 

 

Canada today

 

Australia

 

Islanders

 

"We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy."

"the struggle for the general franchise, for democracy, [is] one of the first and most important tasks of the militant proletariat"

"All forms of the state have democracy for their truth, and for that reason are false to the extent that they are not democracy"

"Universal Suffrage Would Serve the People” (universal right to vote)

"Democracy is the road to socialism and socialism ultimately leads to communism" 

-Marx

You can "just cooperate" within a small, impoverished primitive tribe, it's not gonna happen within the confines of enormous, complex society. It's not even gonna happen once the population reaches a small town - village seems to be the limit/extent of communism being somewhat workable. But even the village size is seriously starting to push it. If our nature was communist, we would just form effortlessly into a ant hill/bee hive, clearly we are selfish and individualistic first and foremost, we are working based on mutual incentives and disincentives, in other words, transactionally. We also have some drive to be good - but being good within the context of being a human within human society can be highly relative, and it's not nearly as big of a drive as our selfishness. Furthermore, you can achieve a lot positive things from a position of selfish altruism as I keep saying, so it's not so black and white

It is scientifically proven that you can only care about MAX 150 people, it's called the Dunbar's number. Realistically you're gonna care about much less. You think this doesn't translate into politics? That's very naive

Edited 13 hours ago by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Its not good n'or bad, but rather just an inevitable state. Likewise, feudalism n'or capitalism are evil, merely stages we had/have to go to through.

[Elliott]

8 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

You can "just cooperate" within a small, impoverished primitive tribe, it's not gonna happen within the confines of enormous, complex society. It's not even gonna happen once the population reaches a small town - village seems to be the limit/extent of communism being somewhat workable. But even the village size is seriously starting to push it. If our nature was communist, we would just form effortlessly into a ant hill/bee hive, clearly we are selfish and individualistic first and foremost, we are working based on mutual incentives and disincentives, in other words, transactionally. We also have some drive to be good - but being good within the context of being a human within human society can be highly relative, and it's not nearly as big of a drive as our selfishness. Furthermore, you can achieve a lot positive things from a position of selfish altruism as I keep saying, so it's not so black and white

It is scientifically proven that you can only care about MAX 150 people, it's called the Dunbar's number. Realistically you're gonna care about much less. You think this doesn't translate into politics? That's very naive

Even only caring about yourself, the better everyone else in the world is the better you will be. This is just a matter of entering this information into the majority of the population. I think you can see Scandinavian countries cooperating at the national level. Like I said though, we're talking about maybe 1,000 years. Slowly everyone would get their needs met, which greatly reduces crime and conflict, and then morals and ethics would need to be hammered into the global psyche, moral preaching Wokies abounding.

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Elliott