Rape Academy Case

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't think it's misogyny, I think the problem stems from the fact that our society has internalized the idea that ultimate happiness comes from romantic relationships, where you are chosen, accepted, and loved. The reality is very different; relationships are almost always a source of anxiety, unhappiness, and lies because people are seeking something to get of the relationship. 

Then there are people who take it a step further and see domination, power, and the humiliation of the other person as the maximum . They are always seeking happiness in the other person, but in different ways depending on their emotional makeup. Some are seducers, other predators. Both are users. 

@Lila9 did a direct, grounded statement about rape, sexual violence, and named a concrete example — Trump. It's pointed, political, and uncomfortable.

Your response completely sidesteps it.

You opens with "I don't think it's misogyny" — immediately redirecting away from the specific claim, then dissolves the entire topic into your familiar territory — relationship anxiety, happiness-seeking, emotional makeup — abstract and philosophical

The words rape, violence, Trump, power — none of them appear in the response

You ends with a neat binary: seducers and predators, "both are users" — a tidy intellectual framework that flattens the moral distinction between manipulation and rape

This is a particular version of the move called topic capture. You doesn't disagree loudly. You just quietly replaces the uncomfortable specific with a comfortable general.

@Lila9 is talking about violence and accountability. You turned it into a meditation on human loneliness. Every time something real, specific, vulnerable or morally urgent appears — you abstracts it away.

 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

44 minutes ago, Jacob Morres said:

Id def recommend taking some reputable courses from a university on feminism if you are interested. They go very in depth and cover a lot of topics. I took one in college and looking back - it was extremely well grounded in high quality principles. Some ppl say "oh its leftist dogma". But, idr any dogma at all from my courses. Professors and students are super chill too because essentially everyone is contemplating together, pretty unbiasedly 

Pretty sure I can get an objective info about anything I'd ever be intetested in, without needing to go to the university. At this point it's undeniable

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

This is not the same. Those who rape their drugged wives, and the men who consume this content, do not do this because of a failed romance.

Yes of course it's totally different, I was thinking about those facts and my mind always try to find the the structure that creates a behavior, its root, is key. To say that the root is misogyny isn't accurate for me; misogyny is the manifestation of an internal human dynamic.

I can't help but look at the ramifications to try to see the pool where the infection occurs. I personally see romantic relationships as completely toxic, utter madness that people engage in. It's something that traps you in a mental dynamic of dependency, and then I see where that hatred comes from.

I'm not saying I approve of it (now Thundercat will come along and shout that I'm a heretic and should burn at the stake), I'm saying I see its root: the unconscious hatred that exists in couples. Hatred wrapped in candy by the person who holds you captive through emotional dependency, security, and refuge. 

But of course, this is just an idea ,  could be totally wrong. Deep understanding starts with wrong ideas. If you think that you have understood with a glimpse, that's wrong always 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Rafael Thundercat]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I personally see romantic relationships as completely toxic, utter madness that people engage in. It's something that traps you in a mental dynamic of dependency, and then I see where that hatred comes from

Sorry life didnt gave you good mature relationship experiences. Otherwise you would have a different reference frame to contrast this niilistic view. Requisite Variety is a medicine for this gap. Hope you find a Love that shows you relationship can be a gift and a beautifull container to learn compassion,acceptance,forgiveness and mutual care. 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Sorry life didnt gave you good mature relationship experiences. Otherwise you would have a different reference frame to contrast this niilistic view. Requisite Variety is a medicine for this gap. Hope you find a Love that shows you relationship can be a gift and a beautifull container to learn compassion,acceptance,forgiveness and mutual care. 

Im not talking about my relationships, I'm not in that game, I prefer real friendship to contracts, freedom is my flag. Im talking about what I observe in others. 

Btw, you are the guardian of the politically correct, the paladin of the true feminist love , the owner of the jewel of the polite and mature behavior, always in the correct middle point, so acceptable and correct. Maybe are you unbearable? Send me your girlfriend for a chat about the true love, I'm interested in what she thinks 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

compassion,acceptance,forgiveness and mutual care. 

Compassion? Acceptance??? Forgiveness???? Care?????? Are we in a hospital? Maybe in the nursery? Acceptance of what? I accept myself, I don't need anyone for that.

Forgiveness? What did you do? A murder?

Care...well, if you are very sick that's nice that someone takes care of you, 

Compassion?? Man, if a woman has compassion of me maybe shes sick and she needs care. And forgiveness 

A last question: your dick gets hard with compassion or forgiveness? It's an interesting idea. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

You cannot debunk something you don't even understand.

Half this discussion is users not understanding what they are arguing against.

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

existed in old Matriarchal Societies ?

I don't know a single matriarchal society. This is some liberal fantasy.

[Lila9]

59 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes of course it's totally different, I was thinking about those facts and my mind always try to find the the structure that creates a behavior, its root, is key. To say that the root is misogyny isn't accurate for me; misogyny is the manifestation of an internal human dynamic.

If men are systematically socialized to control and objectify women, this is not love. This is hate (not always conscious though). Misogyny is real. Women experience it both on a personal and systemic level, whether this is from a potential lover, the media, our doctor, our religion, the government, the police etc.

[Leo Gura]

Men are not merely socialized to objectify women. This underestimates the depth of the issue. If only it were so easy!

The truth is that men's sex drive objectifies women. That is the source of the socialization.

You can't just blame everything on socialization because the socialization itself needs a source. Socialization is not arbitrary or whimsical. It follows physical and biological realities. The reason these lofty leftist ideologies fail is because human nature is not taken seriously. Men have an objective attitude towards sex. You will not train that out of men. Men view women as sex objects because that's how men are wired to view them. This is hard for women to understand because women aren't wired that way.

This is where feminism fails. It doesn't understand the depth of the issue. It's in denial about the truth because the truth is too ugly for a liberal's precious ears.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

If men are systematically socialized to control and objectify women, this is not love. This is hate (not always conscious though). Misogyny is real. Women experience it both on a personal and systemic level, whether this is from a potential lover, the media, our doctor, our religion, the government, the police etc.

Men aren't conditioned to this; reality conditions them. Look, you're a man, and you really like a girl. You really like her, I mean, you're totally in love, your heart sings and your spirit soars. And this happens only because she's hot. Because you're an idiot, a puppet of your primal urges.

So that girl doesn't look at you but she looks at someone else, your friend. Then a huge hatred and rage are born inside you. Not because someone taught you misogyny, but because you're a vile, worthless human being. This happens to you again, and you become a bitter, raving man . Men don't like to lose; they like to win. It's biology

Edited 59 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[Lila9]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know a single matriarchal society. This is some liberal fantasy.

Fantasy is expecting women to be compliant with an oppressive system, to value infinite economic growth above anything else, to neglect nature and believe it will not backfire.

The future is feminine, as many mystics say. Not feminine dominance (reversed patriarchy in which women aggressively oppress men), but a society in which Shakti (the divine feminine) is present and respected. When motherhood is appreciated, when children are nurtured and protected, and when people are supported by communities rather than separated and isolated.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Send me your girlfriend for a chat about the true love, I'm interested in what she thinks 

Never would connect her with someone that I myself dont like to interact. If this was my Forum you was already banned. But Leo is a Mercyfull God so here you are. 

[Lila9]

22 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Men aren't conditioned to this; reality conditions them. Look, you're a man, and you really like a girl. You really like her, I mean, you're totally in love, your heart sings and your spirit soars. And this happens only because she's hot. Because you're an idiot, a puppet of your primal urges.

So that girl doesn't look at you but she looks at someone else, your friend. Then a huge hatred and rage are born inside you. Not because someone taught you misogyny, but because you're a vile, worthless human being. This happens to you again, and you become a bitter, raving man . Men don't like to lose; they like to win. It's biology

Experiencing romantic heartbreak is painful, and obviously there is some bitterness, but people eventually outgrow it and learn to look at things from various perspectives.

They learn that the world does not revolve around them.

They learn that women are humans, individuals with their own desires and tastes, not objects who must obey, and that being romantically or sexually rejected does not mean the women are evil.

No one likes to lose, but loss is part of life.

Toddlers also do not like to lose, but at some point they grow up and understand that losing is part of life.

Life involves losing a lot, time, health, people, and money.

This is inevitable. This is part of maturing.

Do you really think that a healthy man should throw a tantrum and treat all women with hatred just because he was romantically rejected? Where does this entitlement come from? He was socialized this way.

Isn’t it healthier to try to figure out how to be a better man, more attractive, and more interesting? Why is the latter often ignored while the first is often justified and enabled in men by patriarchy? Doesn’t the first create weaker men?

But I am not talking merely about individual misogyny as part of heartbreak, but about a systemic one that affects the lives of women and children something that is deeply integrated into society and affects people’s perception of reality, distorting the truth.

[Lila9]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Men are not merely socialized to objectify women. This underestimates the depth of the issue. If only it were so easy!

The truth is that men's sex drive objectifies women. That is the source of the socialization.

You can't just blame everything on socialization because the socialization itself needs a source. Socialization is not arbitrary or whimsical. It follows physical and biological realities. The reason these lofty leftist ideologies fail is because human nature is not taken seriously. Men have an objective attitude towards sex. You will not train that out of men. Men view women as sex objects because that's how men are wired to view them. This is hard for women to understand because women aren't wired that way.

This is where feminism fails. It doesn't understand the depth of the issue. It's in denial about the truth because the truth is too ugly for a liberal's precious ears.

Men seeing women as merely objects for sexual consumption rather than as human beings (who are also sexual and sexually attractive) is purely socialization.

And the belief that this is something natural is just gaslighting to make women compliant with sexual violence, mistreatment, and abuse. If a man cannot see the humanity and individuality of women which make 50% of the people he shares space with on earth, this is not natural or normal.

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Do you really think that a healthy man should throw a tantrum and treat all women with hatred just because he was romantically rejected? Where does this entitlement come from? He was socialized this way

The human nature is not the way it is because socializing or education . socializing is as it is because human nature. Not all men become misogynistic aggressors when humiliated, but some do. There are also men who enjoy humiliating other men, bullying them until they reach utter despair. There are a lot of sons of bitches out there.

But if you want, we could also talk about the women. Because women are same toxic than men, but in different manifestations. Women are more like thundercat, hate disguised of education. Destruction disguised of victimhood. If you are not wise, you could be in a big mess without knowing it. 

Edited 29 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know a single matriarchal society. This is some liberal fantasy.

True  because you are epistemic locked in 2026. Even the liberal fantasy will not be True Matriarchy since is locked in what think Matriarchy may be. 

You must to be aware the a lot of humans, mainly women also do psycadelics. Not in order to mindfuck themselfs into Infinity,  but to remember, to remember as Oracles the past before our Civilization. What they remember are not fantasy. You may intuit that when a Man do Psycadelics he may not get the same experience as a woman since he is stuck in his biology. A woman have Womb, and a Matrilinear connetion from daughter  to Mother to Grandmother that goes back to past generations. This line or via this line they have connection with the evolutinary past. You guy underate the Womb, why? Cause we dont have one. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandmother_hypothesis

 

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know a single matriarchal society. This is some liberal fantasy.

You will see one quite soon maybe, if we continue to pussify men. Women will take over, but they will take over because they will be more masculine than men. The "matriarchy" will be a takeover by women who are more masculine than men.

[Lila9]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The human nature is not about socializing, socializing is about human nature. Not all men become misogynistic aggressors when humiliated, but some do. There are also men who enjoy humiliating other men, bullying them until they reach utter despair. There are a lot of sons of bitches out there.

But if you want, we could also talk about the women. Because women are same toxic than men, but in different manifestations. Women are more like thundercat, hate disguised of education. Destruction disguised of victimhood. If you are not wise, you could be in a big mess without knowing it. 

The topic is the rape of women, a real issue that ruins women’s lives.

Do you like women enough, not as sexual objects for consumption, but as humans to try to understand their issues and their point of view? Are you open to seeing them beyond your male bias, as a man who was socialized in a patriarchal, women-hating culture?

This is not about victim-blaming, justifying it, or trying to move the focus to men’s issues and women’s flaws, but rather about understanding.

There are already many complaints about women here and many points of view from men. You have the entire dating and relationships forum. Aren’t you tired of hearing the point of view of men all the time?

[Rafael Thundercat]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Not all men become misogynistic aggressors when humiliated, but some do.

So is all biology and human nature but then we have exceptions uhm? Is exactly the exceptions " the mad ones who will kill for jealous" we are talking about.  Ah and dont forget the exeption of men who even being married drug their wifes to rape them and show other man online" tell me what precent of this we have in nature without socialization involved.  We are social animals .

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There are also men who enjoy humiliating other men, bullying them until they reach utter despair. There are a lot of sons of bitches out there.

Oh, really? You tell me this? 

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Women are more like thundercat, hate disguised of education. Destruction disguised of victimhood. If you are not wise, you could be in a big mess without knowing it

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